Large calibers... LARGE calibers.

[Meph]

So I know that there's a couple .50 BMGs that are legal and unrestricted here.

What I'm not clear on is are larger calibers like 14.5mm or 20mm Vulcan rifles legal?

This is mostly for the sake of knowing, but later on, if I have the money (d-d-doubtful) I might want to "varmint" with 1600 grains @ 3400ft/s. (<-- Hahahahah... Oh wow.)

This site seems promising.

http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm

If you think about it, a 15k rifle is nice instead of a second car or something.

So bigger than .50 BMG. I'd get the single shot, but is the take down model or the mag fed model legal?

These do seem pretty overpriced, but I don't see many other people making 14.5/20mm guns for civvies.

 

[Geppetto]

Man, that's a helluva rifle! I'd never heard of them before I looked at the link.

Can't comment as to whether or not it's legal in Canada, but I sure wouldn't mind seeing one at the range sometime!

 

[gabrielguitars]

There's nothing at all illegal about these biggies. The only reason some of the .50's are illegal is due to military application, and these are named specifically. There's a guy in Ontario selling an original 14.5 PTRD, and it's no big deal. The US has laws restricting guns over .50 cal, but we don't. Go for it!

 

[Meph]

Good to hear, it's nice to have that option open.

Go for it!

My wallet just LAUGHED at me for smiling and agreeing to that.

Well later. It'll be my gun to remove old tree stumps at a mile away.

Thinking about that rifle... I wonder where you'd get brass/primers/bullets/powder for that thing... And a press to work that shell...

One could buy that 8$ training ammo... Personally I'd love to get information on that kind of round.

I'd get the single shot with the bipod/free floated batch grade barrel in 20mm.

Sure, it would be a ridiculous purchase, but I love guns and you only live once.

 

[gabrielguitars]

I wonder where you'd get brass/primers/bullets/powder for that thing... And a press to work that shell...

Yeah, that . . . well . . . ummm. Hmmm.

Actually, it is doable (is that a word???). You can get a press from Corbin that is used for swaging, and it accepts the 1 1/4" X 14 or whatever the heck that die size is, and is big enough to load the 20mm. Also, C&H 4-D sells the dies for the 20mm Lahti at least, just don't look at the price! I'm sure the brass is available, even if you had to pick up singles at gun shows, I mean, how many do you really want to shoot at one sitting??? The bullets would probably be the tough one, I somehow don't think Lyman makes a mould . . . I guess you could turn them on a lathe from bronze, but it would be hard to make the hollow point so you could use it for deer.

 

[Meph]

it would be hard to make the hollow point so you could use it for deer.

hollow point so you could use it for deer

use 20mm hollow point on deer

Dude... If I was hunting, I'd want to get more than four hooves and bits of fur off my deer.

That was quite humorous though. I think there are rules on "overkill" for straight up game hunting.

Nothing against varminting though, it's better to make them turn into pink mist, in my opinion, so they don't have the chance to suffer.

It would be awesome to see the CRATER after shooting a groundhog with that thing, and there wouldn't be much left to clean up.

 

[gregb]

Yeah, that . . . well . . . ummm. Hmmm.

Actually, it is doable (is that a word???). You can get a press from Corbin that is used for swaging, and it accepts the 1 1/4" X 14 or whatever the heck that die size is, and is big enough to load the 20mm. Also, C&H 4-D sells the dies for the 20mm Lahti at least, just don't look at the price! I'm sure the brass is available, even if you had to pick up singles at gun shows, I mean, how many do you really want to shoot at one sitting??? The bullets would probably be the tough one, I somehow don't think Lyman makes a mould . . . I guess you could turn them on a lathe from bronze, but it would be hard to make the hollow point so you could use it for deer.

Yup, make friends with a buddy who owns a lathe.

I just started reloading for 50 bmg. I can get around 30 rounds per pound of powder. I can imagine these would be around half of that.

I heard some F-16's use the High explosive incendiary 20mm version of this. Some serious fire power.

 

[Meph]

Yup, make friends with a buddy who owns a lathe.

I just started reloading for 50 bmg. I can get around 30 rounds per pound of powder. I can imagine these would be around half of that.

I heard some F-16's use the High explosive incendiary 20mm version of this. Some serious fire power.

Wow, BMG is to powder what Hummers are to gasoline... 20mm would be like tanks, using almost more gallons than miles

Lathing some solid bronze bullets would be DREAMY

I wonder how long the barrel lasts on those things. I'd also wonder what the ballistic charts would look like.

Oh look, 12299 ft/lbs at 1000 yards...

 

[X-fan]

AS far as I know you can still own a 20mm rifle.

Last I looked the rifles were 20K and it cost $100.00 each time you pull the trigger.....Not for the feint of heart!

 

[tootall]

Last year I went down to Albany OR for a full auto shoot.
Some guy had a 20mm Lahti that he was renting out for $15 per round.I have had a hard-on for the Lahti ever since reading an article about it many years ago.
Anyway, after taking a shot, I got to talking with the guy. He reloads his brass and uses US surplus 20mm Vulcan projectiles. They have to be lathed down a few thou, as they are slightly over size for the Lahti bore.
He also said he bought a 100 pound drum of powder, and each round uses about 650 grains.
I did the quick math in my head, and pointed out to him that each pound is 7000 grains, so he gets just over 10 shots per pound, so just over 1000 reloads per 100 Lb drum.
He looked rather surprised, as he had never done the math,and thought it would last much longer!

 

[MagnumPeanut]

The recoil looked painful in the video. I could see military applications tho, like shooting down a helicopter or thru armored vehicles.

 

[spooksar]

I want one, or at least to fire one.

 

[sunray]

"...High explosive incendiary 20mm..." That you can't have. Practice ammo runs $29.00US per shot. Higly unlikely to find any in Canada and the U.S. won't allow it to be exported.
14.5mm ball ammo runs $25US each. AP runs $35US each. No exports of it either.

 

[gabrielguitars]

No exports of it either.

That's what I thought, too. If you like silly big bore stuff, you could always get a hold of SSK Industries and get one of their .950 JDJ's. Cut down 20mm cases, necked up to .95 cal, or about 24mm. The term 'mortar' comes to mind.

I think there are rules on "overkill" for straight up game hunting.

Nope. You can use whatever you want, man.

Dude... If I was hunting, I'd want to get more than four hooves and bits of fur off my deer.

Actually, it wouldn't be like that at all. Believe me, that bullet would go rippin' through the deer and wouldn't even notice it hit anything. 20mm hole in, 20mm hole out. Far too soft a target to get the bullet to dump any real energy into. The truth is, the deer would probably run farther than if you hit it with a .270. Strange but true . . .

 

[Meph]

Nope. You can use whatever you want, man.

I was referring to one of the rules in Canadian hunting that stated that wasting meat was illegal. So shooting a 90 pound deer with ten shots of 220gr .300 win ultra mag "to be sure it's dead" or something would be against the law, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

Actually, it wouldn't be like that at all. Believe me, that bullet would go rippin' through the deer and wouldn't even notice it hit anything. 20mm hole in, 20mm hole out. Far too soft a target to get the bullet to dump any real energy into. The truth is, the deer would probably run farther than if you hit it with a .270. Strange but true . . .

I can understand that, I probably would stick a 2cm hole from here to there on any animal, but hollow points? Would it even mushroom? What about the air displacement damage? My firearms course instructor was in the military and he did some large bore tests with high speed cameras and they found that the air pressure resulting from air being moved by a large caliber bullet at supersonic speeds was incredibly harmful.

On the other hand, this hole thing reminds me of how the 45/70 behaves, just punching a large hole from one end to the other. I guess with it's lower velocity it has the chance to dump energy...

Also, sorry about the hotlinking. I should've just said "you guys can check out Anzio Ironworks, they have a website, easy to find on google".

 

[Bishopus]

I was referring to one of the rules in Canadian hunting that stated that wasting meat was illegal. So shooting a 90 pound deer with ten shots of 220gr .300 win ultra mag "to be sure it's dead" or something would be against the law, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

Interesting interpretation, but not what the law is intended to address. The law against wasting game meat is aimed at 'antler hunters' who might shoot an animal and take its rack, while leaving the meat to rot.

Shooting an animal ten times with an ultra mag is perfectly normal and legal, so long as a) it is an Ontario fawn coming to a corn feeder, and b) fired from a semiautomatic or pump-action rifle.

 

[Meph]

Interesting interpretation, but not what the law is intended to address. The law against wasting game meat is aimed at 'antler hunters' who might shoot an animal and take its rack, while leaving the meat to rot.

Shooting an animal ten times with an ultra mag is perfectly normal and legal, so long as a) it is an Ontario fawn coming to a corn feeder, and b) fired from a semiautomatic or pump-action rifle.

Thanks for clearing that up, I sure love getting some regulations clearly. Misinterpretation is one of my peeves...

 

[X-fan]

I think the guys at Alberta Tactical have one of these.....

 

[gabrielguitars]

Just one??? What about the other hand?

 

[X-fan]

I think its 200 pounds!