Large Rifle Primers???

serg777 said:
Now, waiting for the price to come down a bit, just like all other kinds of primers did. It seems unreasonable for the price to have surged by 80% compared to just six months ago for exact same primers.
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You can't equate the small rifle primer market to the large.
Brand name Large especially magnum will be at best a trickle for the foreseeable future and I doubt we'll see any price drops.
Your "unreasonable" is the status quo on any given day in Canada clown world.

On a brighter note gas is coming down here in BC...must be nearing an election.
 
BattleRife said:
That seems very unlikely to have happened, as there were no large rifle primers for sale 6 months ago.

The last LRP I saw for sale were about $43/k, and the year was 2019. If you stumbled upon a dusty box forgotten somewhere since, I don't think that's a very fair pricing benchmark.
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Prophet had 200K of them back in May. Here is my bill, you can figure out the price from there or find their posted ad thread of that time:

PROPHET RIVER FIREARMS - ORDER ####
Your order details are shown below.

Date sent: 2nd May 2023 @ 12:21 PM
Order Total: $638.14 CAD

Order #### Contained the Following Items:
Item Details Price
Subtotal: $549.50
Shipping: $58.25
GST: $30.39
Grand total: $638.14
50 x Campro - Unis Ginex Gorazde Large Rifle Primers - 100ct
$549.50

Shipments for Order ####
Date Shipped Shipping Method Tracking Link
2nd May 2023 Canada Post (Purolator )
 
Looked at my X-reload order from August, paid $16.99/100 for Federal 215Ms. Plus GST and shipping.
Didn't take many months for the bad times to return...
 
BattleRife said:
That seems very unlikely to have happened, as there were no large rifle primers for sale 6 months ago.

The last LRP I saw for sale were about $43/k, and the year was 2019. If you stumbled upon a dusty box forgotten somewhere since, I don't think that's a very fair pricing benchmark.
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I bought 1,000 Fed 210 LRP from Cabela's.ca - picked them up at Saskatoon store - March 2021 - was $99.79 - so that includes 5% GST and 7% PST. Was no extra charge to pick them up at a Cabela's Store. After previously paying much less than that - $40 / $50 or so for 1,000 - I thought that was a LOT, then. I still think that.

In April 2021, I bought 2,000 Fed 210M LRP from Bullseye North - also an on-line order - I paid $200.69 shipped to me in Manitoba.

So, based on the above two retail purchase in Spring 2021, I formed the opinion, then, that Fed 210 LRP were going for about $100 per thousand received by me - that is, after taxes and shipping charges - then. So 2 3/4 years ago.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
You can't equate the small rifle primer market to the large.
Brand name Large especially magnum will be at best a trickle for the foreseeable future and I doubt we'll see any price drops.
Your "unreasonable" is the status quo on any given day in Canada clown world.

On a brighter note gas is coming down here in BC...must be nearing an election.
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I fully expect a price drop once availability ramps up. Not a return to pre-pandemic prices, but a price drop from where they are now. The only reason these crazy high prices are even close to sustainable is the massive demand combined with very little supply. Now that pistol primers are more or less widely available their prices are down to $10/box, I would expect LRP to reach a very similar price point once supply increases.

With the Russian Invasion of Ukraine and the Israeli Invasion of Gaza who knows when availability will return though. Could be years...
 
Paul_1982 said:
I grabbed 1000 Ginex LRP to have as backup. Hopefully they work well, I load 308, 30-30 and 45-70.
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They will work fine, if you aren't into precision shooting.

From my very limited experience of a single 100ct box, I found the accuracy to be slightly erratic, because the primers were too hard FOR MY RIFLE, which has a lightened firing pin spring.

If your rifles are off the shelf, with factory specs, the Ginex primers will do everything you need to do under normal hunting conditions.

If you're loading for a Garand, they will be perfect as I believe they're made to milspecs.
 
I am just starting to use some Winchester LRP that I bought 15 years ago. At the time I paid $100.00 for 4000 of them. I wouldn't mind picking up a 1000 more from Budget just for good measure. However I am having a real hard time justifying the $200.00 plus tax and shipping for a 1000 primers. I just bought a brand new Savage 64 .22 for my grandson for about the same price as the primers.
 
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I’d like to see an honest cost vs mark up breakdown on this stuff. Retailers can’t expect us to believe that lr primers that were essentially par with all the other types a couple of years ago are now costing them 150% more.
You can see the same thing with powder.
I do see it from a retail perspective though. The whole idea of charging what the market will bear isn’t a new one. I’m just interested to know who is putting the extra ten points on these.
 
Rooting through the storage drawer, I found three trays of 100 CCI 250 Large Rifle Magnum primers - price sticker on them is from Home Hardware for $3.69 - so, to be from Home Hardware, I would have bought them at either the store in Brandon, Mb or in Yorkton, Sask. - both places are owned by same person, and had gun stuff in both - I think the Yorkton store has closed that part - has been a few years since I was in the Brandon store. So, the purchase must have been within the past 10 years.

As per post above - hard to imagine how today's price is arrived at - that $3.69 represented cost to make, cost to transport to Canadian Prairies, cost of mark-up by various entities in the supply chain, profit for the retailer, before the GST and PST taxes on my purchase. Make that quadruple over 10 years - that is "only" $14.56 per 100, before taxes.
 
Its called capitalism. Suppliers are in the business of making money, not supplying everyone with free shooting. If you need them, buy them. If you don't need them, sit on your wallet and wait.

After 3 years of this, we are lucky the Bosnian primers are even available.

If you think primers are bad, go price a new truck.
 
blargon said:
Its called capitalism. Suppliers are in the business of making money, not supplying everyone with free shooting. If you need them, buy them. If you don't need them, sit on your wallet and wait.

After 3 years of this, we are lucky the Bosnian primers are even available.

If you think primers are bad, go price a new truck.
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New trucks don't cost 4x what they did in 2019...
 
blargon said:
Its called capitalism. Suppliers are in the business of making money, not supplying everyone with free shooting. If you need them, buy them. If you don't need them, sit on your wallet and wait.

After 3 years of this, we are lucky the Bosnian primers are even available.

If you think primers are bad, go price a new truck.
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Oh, is that what it is?
So you’re fine with grocery stores charging whatever they see fit or maybe cell phone providers deciding that $300 a month is within most people’s thresholds for a cell phone?
I get everyone needs to make money. If I started picking and choosing what I mark up raw materials in my shop based on what people need, I’d piss off my customers. Everything gets the same 30% mark up.
I’m genuinely curious how retailers come up with different margins on marginally different products. Or if it’s at the supplier level maybe.
 
BigRobb said:
Oh, is that what it is?
So you’re fine with grocery stores charging whatever they see fit or maybe cell phone providers deciding that $300 a month is within most people’s thresholds for a cell phone?
I get everyone needs to make money. If I started picking and choosing what I mark up raw materials in my shop based on what people need, I’d piss off my customers. Everything gets the same 30% mark up.
I’m genuinely curious how retailers come up with different margins on marginally different products. Or if it’s at the supplier level maybe.
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He's not wrong. Capitalism is designed to maximize profits for the capitalists. Most of us are working class, we're only here for the capitalists to exploit for profit.
 
BigRobb said:
I’d like to see an honest cost vs mark up breakdown on this stuff. Retailers can’t expect us to believe that lr primers that were essentially par with all the other types a couple of years ago are now costing them 150% more.
You can see the same thing with powder.
I do see it from a retail perspective though. The whole idea of charging what the market will bear isn’t a new one. I’m just interested to know who is putting the extra ten points on these.
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I can give an idea. A few weeks ago Fast Toys was selling Ginex SPP pretty much at wholesale price - $700 CAD for 10K. Yet, they supposed to make a profit, so I can reasonable assume the current wholesale price is around $60 CAD per 1K for SPP. Historically, LRP was around 1.5 times more than SPP.

Another clue: currently, stores in USA have Ginex LRP for $110USD for 1K with their normal retail mark up.

You do the math.
 
is it true that Ginex large rifle are a tad bigger in diameter than say CCI or Federal?
I have some brass that is no longer young and tight...
 
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