Of course it does. To see the holy grail saying otherwise is kinda funny. How the fuk does he get grouves in his hands using a glock? So he needs the grip force adapter. Thats bull####. They are selling ####. A man with a resume like his does not need a grip force adapter to use a glock lol.
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Of course it does. To see the holy grail saying otherwise is kinda funny. How the fuk does he get grouves in his hands using a glock? So he needs the grip force adapter. Thats bull####. They are selling ####. A man with a resume like his does not need a grip force adapter to use a glock lol.
For us regular shooters, which the majority is. Ill stick with hickok45 to get a decent review instead of a sales pitch. But for those that worship the guys in the video, good on ya. Whatever floats your boat. I just dont take what they say to heart, as i know at this stage those guys are selling stuff. As far as experience, im sure anybody can learn from their firearms instruction. I just found the video to be bollux.
So...any actual information then, or just your running-of-the-mouth issue with which I imagine most here are already familiar?
Funny that you think those guys can barely stand next to each other...for reasons obvious to anyone who knows any of them.
But look, if you do have actual information on which of the companies mentioned are paying Ken or Dave Harrington, hey, by all means post it up. I would absolutely love to see it. In particular I totally want to hear about the residuals Ken is getting. I mean you're calling them all out...you must know SOMETHING, right?
Right?
Vickers is selling #### agreed? His buddies are helping. You cant see that?
Going with a "no" on the information then eh?
I answered your question, you haven't answered mine.
Well as someone who has punched paper with a GLock and run one in competition I'll go ahead and say whats on the video is pretty solid.
The sights suck and NEED to be replaced, they are just the worst sight picture and fragile too, I can remember seeing them wiped off the gun while clearing malfunctions, one guy used to keep a baggie of spares because it happened so frequently (and at the time there wasn't many aftermarket replacements available). I've used Novaks on a GLock and they were very good, Heinies are probably a bit better. Bomars rock when low mounted and buried in the slide but thats a high dollar option. No matter what the factories must go for competition.
The trigger should be modified as much as allowable, depending on the sport and division, in IPSC you need to get as close to 5lbs as possible with factory parts if shooting in Production, any other division go as light as you can.
The factory mag button is a bit small but the one off the 17L is a bit too long, I had issues with it and trimmed it down, eventually I had a custom Aluminum mag button made and it was a bit longer than factory but quite a bit shorter than a 17L, I haven't tried a Gen 4 but you might be able to get away without modding it.
Magwell? Depends on division, the frame slug is useless for IPSC, its not allowed in Production and in Standard or Open you'd want a magwell.
Slide grooves? Had 'em, if you get a proper high grip on a GLock you will too. The great thing about the glock is the low slide/barrel, but it comes at a cost. The add on beavertail in the video wouldn't be allowed in Production but would be tempting to run on a Standard division gun.
I'm not sponsored by anyone so these thoughts are my own from experience
The sights suck and NEED to be replaced, they are just the worst sight picture and fragile too, I can remember seeing them wiped off the gun while clearing malfunctions, one guy used to keep a baggie of spares because it happened so frequently (and at the time there wasn't many aftermarket replacements available). I've used Novaks on a GLock and they were very good, Heinies are probably a bit better. Bomars rock when low mounted and buried in the slide but thats a high dollar option. No matter what the factories must go for competition.
The trigger should be modified as much as allowable, depending on the sport and division, in IPSC you need to get as close to 5lbs as possible with factory parts if shooting in Production, any other division go as light as you can.
The factory mag button is a bit small but the one off the 17L is a bit too long, I had issues with it and trimmed it down, eventually I had a custom Aluminum mag button made and it was a bit longer than factory but quite a bit shorter than a 17L, I haven't tried a Gen 4 but you might be able to get away without modding it.
Magwell? Depends on division, the frame slug is useless for IPSC, its not allowed in Production and in Standard or Open you'd want a magwell.
Slide grooves? Had 'em, if you get a proper high grip on a GLock you will too. The great thing about the glock is the low slide/barrel, but it comes at a cost. The add on beavertail in the video wouldn't be allowed in Production but would be tempting to run on a Standard division gun.
I'm not sponsored by anyone so these thoughts are my own from experience
You realize the guys in the video were discussing mods for a defensive gun right? As in shooting people, not paper.
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Hey gunguy34, I don't know who you are, but you might want to reel in your neck real quick here. Just sayin'.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything unreasonable in that video.
Anyway, I hope I never get to the level of knowledge of some posters in this thread.
You know: That level where they know more (credentials never to be posted for scrutiny) than some of the most respected shooters in the industry.
For clarity, let's examine some of the reasons why the above mentioned shooters (Hackathorn, Vickers, Harrington) are so respected:
1) Experience
2) Talent
3) They have managed to run careers where they aren't just "yes men" for some product line.
Yeah.
I think I know which advice I'll try to absorb and which advice I'll dismiss as noise.
Anyway, I hope I never get to the level of knowledge of some posters in this thread.
You know: That level where they know more (credentials never to be posted for scrutiny) than some of the most respected shooters in the industry.
For clarity, let's examine some of the reasons why the above mentioned shooters (Hackathorn, Vickers, Harrington) are so respected:
1) Experience
2) Talent
3) They have managed to run careers where they aren't just "yes men" for some product line.
Yeah.
I think I know which advice I'll try to absorb and which advice I'll dismiss as noise.
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Then he should post something that all of us can benefit from. We shoot paper, unless i missed something. Hope he is an IPSC expert. In the video i saw, its egos selling #### that any glock owner knows are redundant.
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It's ok, he's probably unaware that Larry Vickers was at one time a top USPSA shooter.
And that Ken was a founder of IDPA and IPSC...
And that Dave is a IDPA and USPSA Master...
Frankly, if a person find that he can't benefit from anything I post - and I did post this video a week or two back, so this is a decent example - that's a pretty good indication that that individual is not reachable, and is insufficiently familiar with shooting to take advantage of the information I'm giving.
We're at a point in this thread where the theory is being put out there that Ken Hackathorn and Dave Harrington have appeared in this video to help Larry Vickers sell Glock accessories...despite the fact that they're all recommending slightly different stuff, the vast majority of which does not even benefit any of them to sell.
Ken lists off half a dozen sights, not one of which puts money in any of their pockets. In fact unless things have changed in the last year or two, he doesn't even get paid for the Ameriglo Hackathorn sights which he designed.
Does Larry Vickers get paid for recommending a stock glock trigger? I thought this was all about selling products! And when Ken talks about modding the trigger, what does he recommend? The Glock "dot" connector...who gets royalties for that?
The advice to keep your gun cleaned and lubed up? Who's getting paid there?
Or the grip texturing they like? Not one of these guys gets a penny for telling people how to improve the grip on their gun. And if I'm to understand this thread correctly, even the apparently unassailable Hickock45 apparently likes to improve the grip surface of his Glocks...amazing! But when these guys think grip texture could be improved, what, all of a sudden it's #### their egos are trying to sell?
Then when they get down to "if you could change just one thing, what does it need?" they all just say "sights". The Vickers mag release and slide lock get about fifteen seconds of coverage in this entire 17 minute discussion.
Anyone who has their head so far up their ass that they can't benefit from this advice is just not worth bothering with. Essentially what we're looking at here is some guy who for whatever reason has got his back up about taking advice from three of the most knowledgeable Glock shooters on the planet, who insists on discounting anything they say.
Hey, if anybody wants to blow off guys who know so much that they are hired by Heckler and Koch to help them DESIGN GUNS, knock yourself out. Ken is such an expert on the MP5 that HK flies him to Germany to train THEIR people.
But it doesn't make you smarter to block this knowledge out of your head. It makes you dumber. And admitting to doing it doesn't make you look smarter for reasons that I would HOPE would be obvious even to some of the posters in this thread.
And that Dave is a IDPA and USPSA Master...
Frankly, if a person find that he can't benefit from anything I post - and I did post this video a week or two back, so this is a decent example - that's a pretty good indication that that individual is not reachable, and is insufficiently familiar with shooting to take advantage of the information I'm giving.
We're at a point in this thread where the theory is being put out there that Ken Hackathorn and Dave Harrington have appeared in this video to help Larry Vickers sell Glock accessories...despite the fact that they're all recommending slightly different stuff, the vast majority of which does not even benefit any of them to sell.
Ken lists off half a dozen sights, not one of which puts money in any of their pockets. In fact unless things have changed in the last year or two, he doesn't even get paid for the Ameriglo Hackathorn sights which he designed.
Does Larry Vickers get paid for recommending a stock glock trigger? I thought this was all about selling products! And when Ken talks about modding the trigger, what does he recommend? The Glock "dot" connector...who gets royalties for that?
The advice to keep your gun cleaned and lubed up? Who's getting paid there?
Or the grip texturing they like? Not one of these guys gets a penny for telling people how to improve the grip on their gun. And if I'm to understand this thread correctly, even the apparently unassailable Hickock45 apparently likes to improve the grip surface of his Glocks...amazing! But when these guys think grip texture could be improved, what, all of a sudden it's #### their egos are trying to sell?
Then when they get down to "if you could change just one thing, what does it need?" they all just say "sights". The Vickers mag release and slide lock get about fifteen seconds of coverage in this entire 17 minute discussion.
Anyone who has their head so far up their ass that they can't benefit from this advice is just not worth bothering with. Essentially what we're looking at here is some guy who for whatever reason has got his back up about taking advice from three of the most knowledgeable Glock shooters on the planet, who insists on discounting anything they say.
Hey, if anybody wants to blow off guys who know so much that they are hired by Heckler and Koch to help them DESIGN GUNS, knock yourself out. Ken is such an expert on the MP5 that HK flies him to Germany to train THEIR people.
But it doesn't make you smarter to block this knowledge out of your head. It makes you dumber. And admitting to doing it doesn't make you look smarter for reasons that I would HOPE would be obvious even to some of the posters in this thread.
