laws on 14'' barrels restricted?
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troutseeker
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- Ontario defense force (ODF HQ)
Non restricted on a pump or any non semi. Prohibited on a semi. Pistol grips have no bearing on anything. This all has to comply with the 26" law.
cpt. canuck said:
So long as it's a factory barrel, it's not going to turn the host firearm into a prohib, although it would require the semi to be re-registered as a restricted.
I do believe we have a few legally imported factory Benelli and Rem 11-87 in the country with 14 inch barrels, and probably more spare barrels for the same.
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- maple ridge b.c
So it has to be a factory barrel,can't have a smith buck 4 inches off an 18?
true north said:
you can have dlask wack 4 inches off because they are licensed as a manufacturer... I am sure PGW could do it too if they where not so busy.
trick is you have to find a smith licensed as a manufacturer
RePete said:
dlask is manufacturing them from existing hollow tube material...... a barrel is just a barrel...... it is not some magic piece of steel.
as long as they have the manufacturing license they can RE- Manufacture the barrel for you.
because until it is put on a gun it is an uncontrolled part......
Hello impala
As I did some measurements, I can tell you this:
1. 870 with 16" barrel and the pistol grip (of the so-called top-folding police stock) hardly makes 660 mm (26") overall lenght, so it will continue to be a non-restricted firearm,
2. 870 with 14" barrel would not make it to 660 mm (26") with any of the three types of pistol grips I have used in the measurements, so it has to be re-registered as restricted or has to be used with some sort of longer stock. Same thing applies to 12.5" barrel,
3. Both barrels (14" and 12.5") make a nice 870 package if you use the Speedfeed stock (non-folding shoulder piece and pistol grip) or the short Hogue Tactical stock (12" lenght of pull). I have my 870 in Dlask's shop for this modification and re-registering of the barrel lenght, but I did not decide yet what barrel lenght and type of stock I will ask them to use. I am inclined towards the Hogue.
Apparently, RePete is right. People from Dlask are telling me that they cannot chop off an existing barrel under 18" (or was that an 18.5"???). So I called CFC and they said the same thing ("not even a manufacturer is allowed to do that"), but after my previous experiences with CFC, it depends on who I talk to, momentary mood of the agent, volume of calls, etc.
As I did some measurements, I can tell you this:
1. 870 with 16" barrel and the pistol grip (of the so-called top-folding police stock) hardly makes 660 mm (26") overall lenght, so it will continue to be a non-restricted firearm,
2. 870 with 14" barrel would not make it to 660 mm (26") with any of the three types of pistol grips I have used in the measurements, so it has to be re-registered as restricted or has to be used with some sort of longer stock. Same thing applies to 12.5" barrel,
3. Both barrels (14" and 12.5") make a nice 870 package if you use the Speedfeed stock (non-folding shoulder piece and pistol grip) or the short Hogue Tactical stock (12" lenght of pull). I have my 870 in Dlask's shop for this modification and re-registering of the barrel lenght, but I did not decide yet what barrel lenght and type of stock I will ask them to use. I am inclined towards the Hogue.
Apparently, RePete is right. People from Dlask are telling me that they cannot chop off an existing barrel under 18" (or was that an 18.5"???). So I called CFC and they said the same thing ("not even a manufacturer is allowed to do that"), but after my previous experiences with CFC, it depends on who I talk to, momentary mood of the agent, volume of calls, etc.
i am in the process of making my wifes 32" barrel a 20" barrel if you want to go less then 18.5" your only legal way is getting a barrel that was initialy Manufactured by a licened manufacturer other if you get a smith to go below 18.5" or do it your self you would be fabricating a prohibited item *thats if i decrypted the regs properly* i dont know any smith that would do it thier lively hood is worth more to them
it would be best to just call dlask and order a short barrel for your 870 as it would be legal and cheaper
it would be best to just call dlask and order a short barrel for your 870 as it would be legal and cheaper
Brutus said:
The barrel itself, as mentioned, is not a controlled item. However once it is put on a receiver, the firearm then must comply with the legislation.
Police can do whatever they want with their firearms, cut it, bend it, shorten it, make it go full auto, whatever. Those firearms, components or parts that don't meet the Criminal Code definitions cannot be transfered to any civilian.
But as Repete has posted, if a civilian wishes to have a barrel length less than 18 on a firearm, then it must be manufactured, and not cut down, regardless if restricted, non restricted, semi auto, pump, etc doesn't matter.
And the firearm must also meet the T.O.L. requirment. If the firearm is a semi auto then the barrel can't be shorter than the 18 or it meets the definition of a restricted. Can be done legally, just means it's restricted with a manufactured barrel less than 18. And it must be registered before the barrel goes on, or you are in possession of an unregistered restricted firearm.
Here's a blurb in the definition section of Part III of the Code.
I've eliminated the none appropriate stuff.
prohibited firearm”
« arme à feu prohibée »
“prohibited firearm” means
( b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
And here is the definition of restricted.
“restricted firearm”
« arme à feu à autorisation restreinte »
“restricted firearm” means
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
( c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
It's late for me, just finished work, so if I missed anything, let me know.
Don't forget, my 18 inch number is just a round off thing. The actual measurements are a bit different.
I've researched re-manufacturing barrels as well. I get a different answer from every CFC person I talk to. One says yes, but when I ask for it in writing they tell me no chance. I could probably modify a barrel to any length but once you install it on a gun it could be prohib, and we're not willing to risk customers guns confiscated. It would have been a lot easier to do this than making new ones. I have 50 in production and have 10 finished ready for bluing and another 200 blanks being shipped. We're making 16" barrels also for the folder crowd, as well as an 8.5". With the Speedfeed stock it still makes 660mm. The really nice thing about them is the concentricity of the bore to the outside of the barrel. Chokes won't be a problem with any of the makes($100.00 installed). Porting will also be an option.
