Lay It on The LINE 1 MOA
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Geezz I have a hard time shooting .5 moa at 100 m for christ sakes LOL would not bet money on i could do it everytime either?
I thought i did good to hold Moa at 300 yards! I would be happy with Minute of garbage can lid at 1000y!
I thought i did good to hold Moa at 300 yards! I would be happy with Minute of garbage can lid at 1000y!
An average off the shelf hunting rifle should give anywhere from 3/4" to 2" 100 yard groups with factory ammo...
With reloads you can sometimes shrink the groups down to average 1/2" to 1" 100 yard groups.
Then it also depends on the scope that you are using, personally I find scopes with the higher magnifications help me get my groups down as well so really it is a combo of what quality of off the shelf components you buy that results in the size of the groups.
I was at the 300 yard rifle range today and was sitting beside a guy with an older 7mm Mag with a low power scope that was averaging about 3" - 4" @ 50 yards and wasn't happy but was talking that the groups were acceptable...
Also he was shooting 6 to 7 shots with out letting the barrel cool where as I shoot on average a maximum of 3 shots in a sporter barreled rifle then let the barrel cool down.
In my Rem 700-P 223 I shoot 10 shots before I stop to let it cool down.
Here is a 300 yard 9 shot group that I shot today with my Rem 700P 223 and the next picture is a 300 yard 4 shot group that my son shot with my older Ruger M77 tang safety 22-250.
We were out getting ready to go coyote/bobcat/wolf hunting...
The groups aren't the best we have ever shot just a sampling of what our varmint guns can do.
With reloads you can sometimes shrink the groups down to average 1/2" to 1" 100 yard groups.
Then it also depends on the scope that you are using, personally I find scopes with the higher magnifications help me get my groups down as well so really it is a combo of what quality of off the shelf components you buy that results in the size of the groups.
I was at the 300 yard rifle range today and was sitting beside a guy with an older 7mm Mag with a low power scope that was averaging about 3" - 4" @ 50 yards and wasn't happy but was talking that the groups were acceptable...
Also he was shooting 6 to 7 shots with out letting the barrel cool where as I shoot on average a maximum of 3 shots in a sporter barreled rifle then let the barrel cool down.
In my Rem 700-P 223 I shoot 10 shots before I stop to let it cool down.
Here is a 300 yard 9 shot group that I shot today with my Rem 700P 223 and the next picture is a 300 yard 4 shot group that my son shot with my older Ruger M77 tang safety 22-250.
We were out getting ready to go coyote/bobcat/wolf hunting...
The groups aren't the best we have ever shot just a sampling of what our varmint guns can do.
When it comes down to it, if you are a master wind reader, and a perfect practiced marksman, you cannot shoot better than the rifle.
Small groups are very meaninful to me. They tell me the limits of my rifle system (rifle, ammo, shooter). If I do not know what these are under ideal conditions then I will be wasting alot of time second guessing issues in the real world.
I shoot on an excellent rifle range, with concrete benches, on a concrete covered slab, with a relatively sheltered first 100 yards.
When I achieve consistent, small groups under these conditions, then I am confident that the rifle, and the ammo (bullet, brass, primer, powder, seating depth, seating concentricity..etc) have been optimized to the practical limit of the rifle and application.
This practical limit is very different for my various rifles. For my Marlin 30-30 I am very happy to get a consistent 1.5-2 inch group at 100 yards, after all in Ontario the deer are just not that small!
For my custom 6.5-270WSM target rifle I expect a much better group and consistency.
I believe that:
(1) You need the best tool for each job, but that the tool has to be appropriate for the job
(2) If you do not know your tools well, it will be obvious in the end result!
hey SKULLBOY go back to telling ppl how small ur #### is. all my post was saying is that there are too many ppl talking #### about long range shooting. i never claimed i could shoot .5 moa at 1000m all day long there isnt many that cant there are too many factors to take in i will claim that i can shoot .5 moa out to 700m all day long. and any one who has met me or been out shooting with me at gennesse range in alberta will tell you the same. so try to keep ur panties from bunching up. i simply made a post that said if any one lives in the area and wants to call bull#### on what i said i will totally meet up with them and show that i am not talking ####.
mutt-roc
mutt-roc
This is your original post:
You made some claims in the above post and started talking smack,so people are calling you on them for more info.
If you can shoot at 700 meters in ALL weather (snow, rain, wind, etc) then you are indeed a master at this sport.Shooting in nice sunny summer weather makes thing a LOT easier..............
I can shoot, but I will not claim I can do 0.5 MOA at 600 meters (our longest range here) everyday, day in/day out. Too many variables can affect the shot.
So in the future you can drop the attitude with the D*ck/Panties B.S. comments and back up/discuss your claims and this topic in a mature and adult manner.
I did make a semi-smart-assed reply regarding the Liars comment & the claims you made, but I kept my post polite.
If you insist on coping an attitude here you will not last long on this forum.
If you have the time and feel like a road trip, come out to Chilliwack B.C. this June and shoot with us at the B.C.R.A. Tactical (Sniper) Match. We go out to 600 meters in ALL condition, and in various positions. I would love to come out and shoot with you on your range, but my work and family situation prevents that.
Cheers, SKBY.
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Good idea!This is your original post:
You made some claims in the above post and started talking smack,so people are calling you on them for more info.
If you can shoot at 700 meters in ALL weather (snow, rain, wind, etc) then you are indeed a master at this sport.Shooting in nice sunny summer weather makes thing a LOT easier..............
I can shoot, but I will not claim I can do 0.5 MOA at 600 meters (our longest range here) everyday, day in/day out. Too many variables can affect the shot.
So in the future you can drop the attitude with the D*ck/Panties B.S. comments and back up/discuss your claims and this topic in a mature and adult manner.
I did make a semi-smart-assed reply regarding the Liars comment & the claims you made, but I kept my post polite.
If you insist on coping an attitude here you will not last long on this forum.
If you have the time and feel like a road trip, come out to Chilliwack B.C. this June and shoot with us at the B.C.R.A. Tactical (Sniper) Match. We go out to 600 meters in ALL condition, and in various positions. I would love to come out and shoot with you on your range, but my work and family situation prevents that.
Cheers, SKBY.
Muttroc, find a partner and come on out. It's the 21st and 22nd on June, with zeroing on the Friday. If you need we even have sleeping quarters on base.
Ok. I'd like to see proof of your claim of " i will claim that i can shoot .5 moa out to 700m all day long...". Please post names and references along with contact information of those who can back up your claims. Or better yet, join the guys during one of their BC shoots and show them what you can bring to the table as far as shooting ability.
Should be simple to do, right?
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Hell I'll go with Slavex on this one, I've been shooting for about 60 yrs and I can shoot a .25 all day long if I shoot at 10 target's and use 10 rounds, very interesting shooting I must say but I think if I could hit that 300 yard paper I would be very happy, any ways it good reading and entertaining, have at er. Just my thoughts.
