Lead...on the way out?

Ed Smurf said:
Was watching a report on Radio-Canada "Semaine Verte" . There is serious research being done to try to eliminate lead contamination of wild game from hunters. IIRC they say lead is already illegal in Nova Scotia for big game and also some US states. They did it for birds.
Is this the future?
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Unless something changed recently its not illegal in Nova Scotia. Not that there is any shortage of idiots that will tell you it should be.
 
Someone mentioned not wanting to clamp down on bird shot, if I felt there was shot in the meat I had in my mouth, I would just mall it around in my mouth, enough so I could swallow it, without injuring a tooth!
I also did all my early bullet pouring, working in the kitchen with the melted lead on the cook stove.
 
This is concerning a bit. Sure there are some bullets out there to fill the void for some calibers. But what about the ones that are not as common? I would hate to not be able to hunt with my 35 Rem or my 25-35 because all there is is lead bullets!
 
I won't miss lead, the only thing catching it is gophers and I have enough RF ammo, 17 and 20 cal bullets to last another lifetime.
 
Spent all my life eating wild game and yep have ate my fair share of shot. How do I know I had a CT scan of my guts a few years back and the Doc asked if I ate wild game. I thought that was a strange question so I asked why. His response was you have four or five lead pellets in your appendix. My reaction was what to do and his reply was"it is something we see in older folks not so much anymore and they are fine where they are".

That and 20 years in the plumbing/steam fitting business soldering copper(often large bore) every day with lead solder has made little difference. That and working around hydazene, asbestos, and every other carcinogen known, for much of the time and still relatively healthy at just shy of 50. Do like my desk job now though.
 
I would assume that if they eventually ban lead it would be for hunting only. In which case there are many other good options in almost every cal. It would suck for those who use cast bullets though!

If they banned lead for target bullets that would be completely devastating for the entire shooting community.
 
NShunter1254 said:
Not true yet.There are a few nuts that say the lead is killing the eagles,I see no evidence of that when i was a kid and we seen an eagle we called all the neighbors out for a look at a rare sight,Now their like seagulls their everywhere in huge numbers.
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I agree with you 100%

Yep they are sure dying. That is why there was 21 at one time 4 weeks ago when I made a trip with the mrs who was taking pictures of them with the camera club . Yesterday dispite the fact we have snow to our eye balls she was taking pics of two different pair that are starting to rebuild their nests right in town

Never could you see that years ago and back then may be one only the odd time.Now I can go and see them any time I want in a 5-10 minute drive .I am so tired of hearing the lead BS from bullets when so much is still being used in aviation fuel, guard rails , etc etc
One wants to kill the shooting sports ban lead and we will be done. I reload both steel and lead and steel is at least 2.5 times the cost in shotgun. Try to find reloading components for a 28ga, hard enough to find them for lead

Ever price a box of non tox for the rifle if they make them. Need to take a loan to buy them
If they don't believe that just look at the waterfowl hunters we lost after they banned lead there. Over 60% and the numbers never returned and I am talking 100's and 100's of thousands that gave it up then
I for one will NEVER shoot steel at clay targets as will 95% of the current shooters I know. We will be taking up bird watching or another sport with less stress and BS
Never have I been involved in anything that I have to keep defending and defending like hunting and shooting and getting tired after 45 plus years

Cheers
 
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NS, once again on the leading edge of bad ideas.

It all came about because of a couple eagles that were found in Central NS that had lead poisoning. I had mentioned on another forum where this was being discussed, that I had gone to the local dump (also in Central NS) and had seen 14 eagles perched on the compost piles outside. I know that I dump our wood ashes in our compost bin and lots of people burn all kinds of garbage and crap in their wood stoves/furnaces and probably dump it in there too. So it would be interesting to run some tests on that compost or some of those dump eagles to see if they had elevated levels as well. All I got was silence, it has to be the bullets from the 5000 (not sure of the #) successful hunters in NS.

I have a hard time believing that they will ban lead for hunting and not ban it for everything else if it comes to that>
 
Eagleye said:
I'm another of those "Older" characters who has been eating game meat taken with lead bullets all his life, without any apparent detrimental effects.

But the handwriting is on the wall....lead will undoubtedly be banned in bullets some time in the future, just when is uncertain.

When ingested, I think that the effects of lead on waterfowl and birds of prey are far more serious than the effects on animals with conventional digestive tracts.

Lead compound vapors that are breathed in, on the other hand, are hazardous to the human organism, particularly when young.

Regards, Dave.
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The lead builds up in the organs far far far more than the rest of by meat. Especially the liver. Why people eat the organs from wild game is beyond me. Wild game may have less medical chemicals, they have far more minerals of the good and bad kind, and the bad builds up in the bodies filtration systems, kidneys and liver.

As for lead being banned they are already on the way. The us has severely tightened the rsfi ing process and shut down several plants in the states.
 
I agree that part of the increase in predatory birds is the change in attitude from the past. In my youth if the old man ever saw us pass a shot on a hawk or owl on the property there was hell to pay. Chickens were more important I guess. That was just the way of things back then.

I don't care how bad some things may be for me because I am not going to pass on a feed of deer liver in November. Gotta be fresh, frozen is crap.
 
NShunter1254 said:
These are the idiots who support this in Nova Scotia,I would hope people research these clowns before donating or joining.


http://www.nsfah.ca/news/view.php?id=185
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Yep have to say I did support them for many years but they got my last dime as well as some others I know after that BS push plus I left the NS Hunting site who was also pushing it or at least some of the main posters were.
I laughed at the exchange program most of us had more ammo in our personal stock than they have to exchange for the entire province. Then it was one box per individual and most sizes were not available
Makes me wonder . Joke is like I said many times. OK for the one box a year shooters which most of them are and F'k the guys that pop off 5000-25,000 rounds a year
If one could trust them that it would be hunting only they could probally sell it but we all know it won't stop there and targets would be part of the ban
Take them out of the clay and paper sports and we are screwed as gun owners since as of today there is not an affordable alternative
Cheers
 
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Not going to be a popular opinion in this crowd, but I support lead free bullets and shot. It's not as if the modern copper monos put us at a disadvantage. Lead is quite toxic, and even from an non-environmental standpoint isn't exactly a good thing to blast into your meat at 2,500fps. We encourage lead free bullets whenever possible.
 
Aries- said:
The lead builds up in the organs far far far more than the rest of by meat. Especially the liver. Why people eat the organs from wild game is beyond me. Wild game may have less medical chemicals, they have far more minerals of the good and bad kind, and the bad builds up in the bodies filtration systems, kidneys and liver.

As for lead being banned they are already on the way. The us has severely tightened the rsfi ing process and shut down several plants in the states.
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They have been on the so called way for years and years. Good luck is all I can say and why I am a NRA life member
http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/9290/epa-leaves-lead-alone/
 
Ardent said:
Not going to be a popular opinion in this crowd, but I support lead free bullets and shot. It's not as if the modern copper monos put us at a disadvantage. Lead is quite toxic, and even from an non-environmental standpoint isn't exactly a good thing to blast into your meat at 2,500fps. We encourage lead free bullets whenever possible.
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We all have our own opinions which is OK but just a quick question. How many rounds approx do you fire a year?? Rifle / handgun and then shotgun??
 
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