"Lead Sled" or Sand Bags?

Most people use a lead sled without using their heads. They use it as they bought it.

If the leadsled requires modifications in order to be safe to use,with all rifles, why doesn't the company change the design to make the product functional as manufactured. I for one don't expect to have to modify every product that I purchase to make it useable.

One more detail that should be mentioned, is that any device that limits the recoil of the firearm, can effect the point of impact. I have seem several guns shoot to a different point of impact when used in gun vices, or lead sleds, compared to being fired from the shoulder. That is the main reason that I choose not to use leadsled type devices.
 
Been using a lead sled for 6 years. I have developed hundreds of loads on over a dozen rifles. The first year, I used 25lbs of lead shot for the weight until I lost a scope on a .30-06 (it was a cheap scope so I really apid little attention to it, however, when I noticed a chip on a wood stocked, sportered, Lee Enfield, I did some thinking. I have only used 10lbs of lead as weight since and have noticed no other deleterious effects. I would certainly never think of strapping ANYTHING down on it, however, it's not made for that!
I, too found that there was a lot of adjustment required to shoot accurately and comfortably. While I used the Lead Sled I know that my rifles were more accurate, but I had a difficult time staying on battery, making shots groups a little suspect. Although I realized I needed another option, money is tight. Took me 3 years to get to the point of this Christmas. My wife's natural parents are divorced. Each set of in-laws gave me a $100 Cabela's gift card. First thing I bought was the HiScore Rest. No, once the 2' snow pack is gone, I will be trying it out. Saw it in action and really like the method of removing shooter, even down to a remote triggering system. Watched a .338 Mag off of one and the rest didn't move a millimeter!
I now will be selling my Lead Sled on Infomall...or some such...
 
How about the Lead Sled with no added weight used only as a steady rest?

Good tool for sighting in, or complete P.O.S.??

Somewhere in beween.
I used one until, with about forty pounds of weight, it ate two scopes, so I sold it.
However, with the rifles I was trying it on, I never improved the groups. That is, with the same rifles, I couldn't get quite as good groups, as I did before I got it.
Thus, I don't think it is the best rest.
The best rest I have found is one my son made, which allows shooting in a comfortable, head up position.
It has been mentioned on here, but sitting properly, with the head up, is very important and the commercial rests I have used all find me hunched down in an awkward position, not conducive to good shooting.
 
I have a Stoney Point rest. It has four adjustable feet that are pointy at the end. They dig into the bench and prevent the sled from moving back. The problem is when you start firing the big boomers like my 338 Win Mag it tends to dig in on the rear point which causes the front of the rest to jump in the air. I think this is the reason I have had inconsistant results with my 338 but not my smaller rifles. I think the answer is to make four hockey puck sized wooden pads for the feet and drill a hole in them so the feet can rest in them. Then I will put a bit of weight on the sled and put some extra padding onn the butt of the rifle. When I shoot my heavy recoilers it will simply slide the whole set up back.

On a side not I also broke the back portion of the rest that holds the butt of the gun so I had to pull the rubber coating off of it and reweld it. I do not consider the Stoney Point rest to be all that good.

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How about the Lead Sled with no added weight used only as a steady rest?

Good tool for sighting in, or complete P.O.S.??

There is nothing wrong with a Lead Sled, if it's used properly.

I like it for the plain simple reason that I suffer from "Frozen Shoulder Symptoms". Shooting off a bench, off bags, or from a prone position is extremely painful. The Lead Sled, with 50 pounds of lead shot bags on it greatly reduces recoil so that shooting off the bench is a pleasureable experience again.

If you have one, for goodness sakes, use your heads and install a recoil pad of some sort into the butt socket.

As far as not making shooting any more accurate, well, like I said before, learn to use it properly and it will help to alleviate and eliminate a lot of errors we make ourselves while shooting.

It doesn't matter which rest you use, the forend has to fit the stock properly. Same goes for the rear bags. The feet on the Sled need to have any wobble adjusted out of them. Also, it needs lots of weight. To little and it moves to much with recoil.

I don't know why they don't include instructions about this with the unit? I also don't know why they don't include a proper recoil pad. To cheap I guess, trying to reduce costs.

Maybe just a fundamental lack of understanding the repercussions of the system.

One other thing, people insist on crawling up on the stocks and laying on them during use. This just makes the situation worse.

Learn how to use it. You won't ruin any more equipment and you will have a very useful tool.
 
Step 1- steal scissor jack from wife's car (You know she won't use it anyway)
Step 2- weld a piece of U channel on the top
Step 3- weld a square of 1/4 inch plate on the bottom
Step 4-glue felt to U channel
Step 5- shoot

For heavy calibers use the above method but add a PAST shooting pad to your shoulder
http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/past/

"It'll never work". "No Duct Tape". ;)
 
I've often wondered about that. I have a buddy that doesn't reload but everytime he goes to the range he shoots off the lead sled. 300 win, 375 HH, 45-70, 338 Lap. As far as I know he hasn't broke anything yet. I don't know why he likes shooting this way, If I'm not testing a rifle or working on load development I always shoot from field positions. It's just more fun imo.

Sometimes, I start shooting standing freehand when I've only shot one or two groups with a new load. Plinking at clay birds on the berm is more fun that sitting at a bench :)
 
I used sand bags for years then I build my own version of a lead sled and after a couple scopes, give that up and went back to bags.
Last year I picked up a Caldwell rest & rear bag and realized that a lot of bullets and powder were wasted and a few rifles went down the road because of the bags. The rest and a good rear bag was what I needed all along.
David
 
This discussion (and the stupid misconceptions) re-occur periodically on gun forums.

I will not comment too much on the broken stocks issues.
But generally speaking, those stocks were probably weak to begin with,
probably pre-cracked, etc. In fewer words, they had it coming.
Get a synthetic, it is better anyway.

Scopes:
When the sled (or any other device used to stop recoil) is used properly,
it is physically impossible to damage a scope.
Get back to school or read this thread where it was all explained:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?804807-Lead-Sled-Problems
 
I also bought the sled and after a few sessions had the same concerns about damage so I removed back butt rest and installed a piece of plywood big enough to hold my rear sandbag rest and use it that way ,doesn't do anything for recoil but makes it easier to line up and repeat shots,now I don't have the worry of damage to scopes or rifle stocks --Montrock
 
I will not comment too much on the broken stocks issues.
But generally speaking, those stocks were probably weak to begin with,
probably pre-cracked, etc. In fewer words, they had it coming.
Get a synthetic, it is better anyway.

It's simply amazing that you can make deductions such as those with absolutely no follow up into why all of those stocks cracked when used with lead sleds. With such amazing skills of deduction, you must have retired rich, at a very young age.
 
This discussion (and the stupid misconceptions) re-occur periodically on gun forums.

I will not comment too much on the broken stocks issues.
But generally speaking, those stocks were probably weak to begin with,
probably pre-cracked, etc. In fewer words, they had it coming.
Get a synthetic, it is better anyway.

Scopes:
When the sled (or any other device used to stop recoil) is used properly,
it is physically impossible to damage a scope.
Get back to school or read this thread where it was all explained:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?804807-Lead-Sled-Problems


UM, no it isn't physically impossible to damage a scope, especially some of the cheaper lines.

The major reason most people buy a Lead Sled is to reduce felt recoil.

When the rifle is allowed to slam back or is held against an unmoving object, the energy generated by the ignition of the cartridge has to go somewhere, it just doesn't disappear. Some of the energy is bled off from muzzle jump but most of it is taken up by the butt, which is press tightly against the rear plate of the butt socket.

That energy is contained by the weight of the sled and the back plate.

The recoil pad on the rifle, if there is one, compresses until it reaches its limit then very rapidly reverses direction. It is this reversal of direction that damages the scopes. They are built to handle recoil in the opposite direction.

Really expensive rests like the ones offered by RANSOM, have adjustable recoil limiters built into them to compensate for this.

It's the same type of recoil that spring actuated air rifles have. Even the low velocity air rifles can damage some very expensive and tough scopes.

Years ago, at a private range I frequented, a now deceased friend and I wanted to build a test bed for Hunter Bench Rest rifles.

This unit was built out of 1/2 inch steel for the base plate, which was bolted to a concrete topped table and adjustable 1/2 inch aluminum plates for the butt. The forend support was adjustable for windage and elevation, via a 1 inch threaded NF rod, with an adjustable pad rest on top of an adjustable windage platform.

All of the pads on the holding units were made up of a heavy durometer, wear resistant, white rubber. We used the same rubber in the butt socket.

The very first rifle we tested looked like all would be well for the first group.

On the second group, everything went awry quickly.

The scope, a Burris fixed 6 power with a fine mildot reticle and AO, suddenly canted. This rifle had a few hundred rounds through it already without issues so it was a surprise for a relatively expensive US made scope. But, as we all know, even the best and toughest scopes can develop issues.

Quickly changed out the scope with a VariX II Leupold 6.5 x 20 x 40 with AO. Shot two more groups. The first group was very tight. The second, opened up to about 6 inches with one tenth grain of powder increase. Shouldn't have made that much difference.

The scope reticle had broken away from its adjusters.

It finally dawned on us that this had something to do with the rest.

The folks at Leupold, told us to send the scope to Korth Industries in Alberta, then explained why this had happened.

When you buy a scope for a spring actuated air rifle, make sure the scope is built to handle the reverse recoil. It isn't a matter of if but when it will come apart.
 
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The reason I stated earlier that the sled must be weighed down according to the rifle was exactly what other have stated. I only use heavy lead shot bags on small rifles, like a hornet. For any of my larger chamberings, I use no weight at all. It has worked very well in this manner so far. I am glad I took some advice from an old friend regarding the recoil issue and busted scopes.

It is also why I would like to find a Rock BR front rest...
 
I have always used a front rest and rear bag. I got a really good front rest from Sinclair a few years ago and have used a bunny ear bag for the rear (usually the bunny ear bag sits on top of a 2x6" or similar - my table is a bit low). I wouldn't use a Lead Sled as I wouldn't want to take the risk. Plus packing bags of lead shot to the range is a mug's game.
 
Yep, I've seen pics of Lead Sleds loaded with weight and the rifle cargo strapped to it. I like shooting from the sled but use it to reduce recoil, not to try to eliminate it. I have an old divers weight belt I lay across the bottom of the sled and just rest the rifle in place with my shoulder behind the rear stock pad. The sled shifts a bit between shots but resetting is no ordeal and nothing breaks,, my shoulder included :D. My hi cal rifles have recoil pads on em too which helps.

That makes sense....let it move a bit and/or have pads to absorb the shock to prevent any damage. I like it
 
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