Learning about triggers

Put a Geissele SSA in my carbine. 2.5lb take up, 2lb break. If you pull right through you don't even feel the takeup. Best analogy is the Swissarms trigger, which is heavier than the SSA.

Consider your purpose, if you're doing CQB or carbine courses where you're running around and wearing gloves, I wouldn't go lighter than the SSA for safety reasons.

PS, took me 30 minutes to install the parts, would have taken less than five, if I had someone push the pin in when I aligned the hammer with the frame!!!
 
Gundoggy said:
Put a Geissele SSA in my carbine. 2.5lb take up, 2lb break. If you pull right through you don't even feel the takeup. Best analogy is the Swissarms trigger, which is heavier than the SSA.

Consider your purpose, if you're doing CQB or carbine courses where you're running around and wearing gloves, I wouldn't go lighter than the SSA for safety reasons.

PS, took me 30 minutes to install the parts, would have taken less than five, if I had someone push the pin in when I aligned the hammer with the frame!!!
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Roger.

Timney on my future 18"-20" build.

So the SSA and the RRA Match is my two Im looking at.

Thanks all.
 
Any reason for the two stage? For the shooting you're going to be doing it will actually be a hindrance except for the deliberate shoots in service rifle which only acount for 25%, if not less once you get into all the CQB matches.

For your purpose I'd honestly stick with the stock trigger and try and smooth it out.
 
I have an NEA........with the slightly harder pull.

So then just work it in, and get lighter springs.

I think that is the best advice.
 
Yes, you can polish the engagement surfaces with a block of hardwood, don't use a stone as you'll remove the hardened outer layer, exposing the softer metal underneath. It takes a long time but you'll notice the difference. Install springs that are in spec and your trigger pull should be between 5.5-8.5lbs. Anything other than that means that something isn't right.
 
you can't compare a aftermarket 3lb timney or geissele to a tuned or spring changed factory ar trigger.

most likely the tuned trigger won't last and needs minor tuning after time.
 
Gundoggy said:
Consider your purpose, if you're doing CQB or carbine courses where you're running around and wearing gloves, I wouldn't go lighter than the SSA for safety reasons.
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IPSC shooters run around with 1 to 2lbs triggers all the time. Maybe it's me, but I find 3lbs a little stiff, but workable in an AR platform.
Just not sure if I want single or double stage.
 
Musky Hunter said:
you can't compare a aftermarket 3lb timney or geissele to a tuned or spring changed factory ar trigger.

most likely the tuned trigger won't last and needs minor tuning after time.
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Did I even try and compare them? No, quite the opposite. I told him I didn't think they were necessary for his intended application. You don't need, or want, a two stage trigger when the majority of your shooting are snaps and rapids. You want to blow $200 or more on a trigger that works well for your discipline then go ahead, but it's simply not needed for this kind of shooting, especially when you're just starting out. Get some time behind the trigger before you decide to "upgrade". Never mind the fact that a 3lb trigger isn't legal for Service Rifle, a discipline the OP has expressed interest in, he needs a trigger with a pull weight greater than 5.5lbs.

Tuned trigger won't last? Need tuning over time? Are you kidding me? As long he doesn't stone the surface he won't hurt anything. I've never had to do a single thing to maintain a factory trigger, not even change a spring. The factory trigger will easily outlast any aftermarket one.
 
I have the Spikes BT in my (what I call) service rifle. It's much nicer than a stock trigger...but nowhere near a Geissele (I have the SSA, SSA-E and the HS DMR in other rifles). I also have some experience with the ALG Combat trigger (from down south). Essentially it is fairly close to the Spikes BT and around the same price point. Of those two...whichever I could get cheaper is the one I'd go with (they're that similar IMO).
 
I have just installed AR Gold trigger. It supposed to be drop in type, but in my case it wasn't, however I was able to solve the problem myself. I have shaved bit of my fire selector/safety since it wasn't going through due to 'new trigger tail' being on the way. Then, I have shaved bit from the shelf of the fire selector, flat spot.
Yesterday, I tried on the range. It is amazing trigger.
I normally shoot Infinity pistols with triggers of 2lbs, hate heavy triggers. This new AR Gold is less then 3lbs, according to my Lyman trigger gauge. It has a 8oz take up and then breaks so clean, it is a dream compare to factory. Reset is like on any well tuned pistol trigger.
If you can get it and willing to spend around 300 bucks I highly recommend.
Best AR trigger I have tried so far.
 
Leg said:
Yes, you can polish the engagement surfaces with a block of hardwood, don't use a stone as you'll remove the hardened outer layer, exposing the softer metal underneath.
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So all AR15 trigger parts are case hardened only?
Seems odd to me as I've had older Colts that were stoned and polished and worked fine without any extra wear for years.
 
How many cycles did you put on those colt triggers?
That is what wears them out.

I will say it again, if anyone sees huge improvements in their scores or grouping capacity simply by dropping in a lighter trigger they need to fix how they hold and operate the rifle. Light trigger weights only help to hide poor hold, position and trigger manipulation.

That said if you want to pay over $300 for the chance to pick up a handful of points........it may be worth it if those points would move you into first place.
 
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