Wiseguym70
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So I have taken my 1944 long branch to the range many times and cant seem to group it consistently. the bore is good to very good, I am thinking it may be my sight picture? any tips?
Lee Enfield Sight Picture No.4 Mk. 2
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Have you tried it in a lead sled?
have your slugged the bore?
have your slugged the bore?
Wiseguym70
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Ive only done it off of a front end rest. I don't know what "Slugging" the barrel is though. I will borrow the ranges lead sled and try it out!
This may work, it may not, depends on your eyes. But if your having problem aligning the front sight up with the rear aperture try this.
Focus on the front sight, this will cause the rear to become blurry as it is out of focus. As a result you may see the rear aperture become fuzzy. In the middle of the fuzziness, their will be a pin prick of light. That will be the exact center of the aperture and is what the front sight should be lined up with.
What are your groups like? While these rifles can shoot alright, they are not designed for precision work.
Focus on the front sight, this will cause the rear to become blurry as it is out of focus. As a result you may see the rear aperture become fuzzy. In the middle of the fuzziness, their will be a pin prick of light. That will be the exact center of the aperture and is what the front sight should be lined up with.
What are your groups like? While these rifles can shoot alright, they are not designed for precision work.
Your eye should automatically center in the rear aperture and all you do is center the front sight in the aperture and then on the target. Once you forget about the rear peep and just center the front sight in the "hole" you are looking through everything will become automatic with your sight picture. The military sights were designed for a six o'clock hold at 100 yards with a six inch diameter circular target and hitting dead center of the circle.
Precision With A Peep: Using an Aperture Sight
http://ataleoftwothirties.com/?page_id=502
Below a Google search of "sight picture with aperture sights" with more links, also click on "images" at the top of the page.
https://www.google.com/#q=sight+picture+with+aperture+sights
Shoot-to-Live 1945 (Practical Shooting with the Enfield Rifle ) Read chapter five on "Aiming"
Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching As Adopted By the Canadian Army, Ottawa, Chief of the General Staff.
http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=310-Shoot-to-Live-1945-%28Practical-Shooting-with-the-Enfield-Rifle-%29
Precision With A Peep: Using an Aperture Sight
http://ataleoftwothirties.com/?page_id=502
Below a Google search of "sight picture with aperture sights" with more links, also click on "images" at the top of the page.
https://www.google.com/#q=sight+picture+with+aperture+sights
Shoot-to-Live 1945 (Practical Shooting with the Enfield Rifle ) Read chapter five on "Aiming"
Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching As Adopted By the Canadian Army, Ottawa, Chief of the General Staff.
http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=310-Shoot-to-Live-1945-%28Practical-Shooting-with-the-Enfield-Rifle-%29
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What range are you trying to mark paper at? You're aware of the ballistics of the rifle and round? Factory spec ammo will print low POI at 50-100 yards as the projectile is still on its rise. Think groups, not bull's-eyes.
These rifles can be very accurate tools (not in my hands, but...err. I digress). They were designed for 300-600 yard ranges of engagement, and they will hit minute of torso every time (even in my hands! True, true.)
However, if you're trying to shoot bulls at 50 yards, you will have to hold over. If you are able to put 3 rounds within 2 or 3 inches, but the group is 6 inches low...its normal.
Our friend Riflechair can help you out here.
These rifles can be very accurate tools (not in my hands, but...err. I digress). They were designed for 300-600 yard ranges of engagement, and they will hit minute of torso every time (even in my hands! True, true.)
However, if you're trying to shoot bulls at 50 yards, you will have to hold over. If you are able to put 3 rounds within 2 or 3 inches, but the group is 6 inches low...its normal.
Our friend Riflechair can help you out here.
It rarely gets mentioned - but peep/aperture sights just don't work for some people. I can hit center target all day, get groups between 2-3" at 100 yards, with tangent sights (post and notch) and a good rifle, without straining myself.
Put an aperture sight in front of me? I'm lucky to hit the safety berm. I've tried, repeatedly, with different techniques, to get myself to be able to hit targets with peep or aperture sights. I've succeeded in being able to take a very accurate rifle, and hit a pop tin at 25 yards, about half the time.
And it really annoys me, because there are some great rifles out there with peep sights, and the "conventional wisdom" is that you should as accurate or more accurate with peep/aperture, and I suspect most people are, but for me it's just a mess of jangled visual cues that don't add up.
I'm also one of those people who gets an instant migraine at 3D movies - I have a suspicion that the two things are related.
Put an aperture sight in front of me? I'm lucky to hit the safety berm. I've tried, repeatedly, with different techniques, to get myself to be able to hit targets with peep or aperture sights. I've succeeded in being able to take a very accurate rifle, and hit a pop tin at 25 yards, about half the time.
And it really annoys me, because there are some great rifles out there with peep sights, and the "conventional wisdom" is that you should as accurate or more accurate with peep/aperture, and I suspect most people are, but for me it's just a mess of jangled visual cues that don't add up.
I'm also one of those people who gets an instant migraine at 3D movies - I have a suspicion that the two things are related.
Slugging the barrel is hammering a cast .30 calibre bullet or suitably sized lead fishing sinker through the barrel, preferably from the chamber end, with a 1/4" brass rod and a plastic mallet. Then measuring the bullet/sinker with a micrometer to determine the barrel's groove diameter. Easier to do than describe. Way easier than it sounds.
Lee-Enfield barrels can vary from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315 is shot out. Really over .313" these days.
The issue is that currently available ammo and bullets for reloading only come as .311" or .312". You could go to a cast bullet for larger diameters.
Inconsistent groups are highly unlikely to have anything to do with the sight picture. Most likely a bedding issue. Assuming a certain level of skill and decent ammo with the bullet diameter closest to your rifle's barrel.
Anyway, you look through the rear aperture, not at it, at the front sight blade and sit the black of the target on top
Your rifle isn't a No.4 Mk. 2 if it's a 1944 LB either. No Mk 2's until 1949. Not that it matters.
Lee-Enfield barrels can vary from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315 is shot out. Really over .313" these days.
The issue is that currently available ammo and bullets for reloading only come as .311" or .312". You could go to a cast bullet for larger diameters.
Inconsistent groups are highly unlikely to have anything to do with the sight picture. Most likely a bedding issue. Assuming a certain level of skill and decent ammo with the bullet diameter closest to your rifle's barrel.
Anyway, you look through the rear aperture, not at it, at the front sight blade and sit the black of the target on top
Your rifle isn't a No.4 Mk. 2 if it's a 1944 LB either. No Mk 2's until 1949. Not that it matters.
