Lee Enfield Sporters - One Peice Stock Conversions?

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Hello everyone

I'm curious to know if the Lee Enfield conversions to two action screws and one piece stocks really improve the performance of the rifle much compared to good quality bedding?

I've always been intrigued by the idea, but does the conversion really make enough difference to group sizes and / or a consistent zero at the end of the day?

I'd love to hear from people who own one of these rifles.

Thanks!
 
It was not unusual for 7.62 target rifles to be made up in one piece stocks. Ian Robertson's fiberglass stocks were used, with S&L or Enfield barrels. These were considered to be competitive in their day. I have shot mine with the standard load of 46gr Varget behind a 155SMK. It is accurate.
Elwood Epps specialized in one piece stock sporting rifles. Don't know if they shoot better than sporters in two piece stocks. They certainly are attractive, smooth handling hunting rifles. Losing the butt socket gets rid of a chunk of steel.
 
I have 4 or 5 of the DCRA target rifles made up in one piece stocks. Some are fifbreglas stocks, some are laminate wood. It would be nice to be able to re-purpose them as something else. They deserve better than collecting dust.

The target barrel, cut back to 20" does make a nice stiff sporter. I did that with one.


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Ganderite said:
I have 4 or 5 of the DCRA target rifles made up in one piece stocks. Some are fifbreglas stocks, some are laminate wood. It would be nice to be able to re-purpose them as something else. They deserve better than collecting dust.

The target barrel, cut back to 20" does make a nice stiff sporter. I did that with one.


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Nice.
 
Mine was made up on a No. 7 receiver. Also has the Canjar trigger. Speedlock conversion on striker, stiff mainspring.
 
I had one that was made up by Elwood Epps. It was quite accurate and not subject to the same bedding issues as the actions requiring 2 piece stocks.

It was built from the receiver up, with a new 5 groove barrel, chambered in 303 British. He tried to talk me into the 303 Epps Improved. I declined.

I had that rifle for several years. Then gave it to my stepson, from my first marriage. He's not communicating with me after almost 45 years, so I don't know if he still has it or not. His drug abuse issues may have required selling it.

I liked Elwood, very talented individual and full of all sorts of viable ideas and stories. I was sad to see him pass. I met him at a mine site, just out of Whitehorse.
 
Ganderite,,, please do not re-purpose those.

Those are DCRA - ORA legends within themselves.

Hell, their owner (you) are a DCRA - ORA Legend - Champion, that's history in itself and as such, they need to be used or conserved as is!

You know more on the subject of long distance target shooting, reloading and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,than the rest of us all here all combined on GunNutz!



Don't worry,,,, "QM 86,87" (aka, CDN Forces Queens Medal 1986, 1987,,,,,,, using a real gun, FN - C1),,,,,,,, don't feel left out,,,,,,,, I have not forgotten you either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, B@stard! ;););););):redface:
 
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WOW there a lot of experience here! In just in one thread alone. Where would a guy get a stock like the one on your rifle? I’ve been in the fiberglass industry for a lot of years and would love to have one! Broke in half...or all in one piece , I have a No4 LB with a 5 groove barrel , that would love to have a new out look on life. It was one of the rifles , back in the day that someone made into a No5, did a nice job...but not a real No5.
Cheers
Brian
 
cigar_man said:
Ganderite,,, please do not re-purpose those.

Those are DCRA - ORA legends within themselves.

Hell, their owner (you) are a DCRA - ORA Legend - Champion, that's history in itself and as such, they need to be used or conserved as is!

You know more on the subject of long distance target shooting, reloading and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,than the rest of us all here all combined on GunNutz!



Don't worry,,,, "QM 86,87" (aka, CDN Forces Queens Medal 1986, 1987,,,,,,, using a real gun, FN - C1),,,,,,,, don't feel left out,,,,,,,, I have not forgotten you either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, B@stard! ;););););):redface:
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A legend, you say? Only in my mind.

The one piece stock was a way to put all our rifles in the same shape stock, so we could change rifles without too much different "feel". The Robertson Fiberglas stock was light enough to all us to meet the weight limits imposed by the rules. Most guys sanded them, used gel Coat for a smooth finish and then had the car shop give them a nice paint job.

I carefully bedded the rifle and painted the stock with a rattle can. My rifles were usually the most ugly ones on the range. No danger of being stolen... But they shot well.

In 1983 I was preparing to go over on the'84 Bisley Team, and I wanted to be as competitive as possible. I built 4 rifles in these fibreglas stocks. A pair of Grunigs for short range and a pair of one-piece #4s for long range..

We shot issue military ball ammo, so at long range the challenge was elevation group size. The only solution was a #4 that would compensate, and shoot the slower rounds a bit higher. At a certain distance, the slower rounds (which existed the barrel a bit higher in the arc) would all come together. I found that I could control the distance that all the rounds came together at by setting the torque on the front action screw. 30 in pounds for 1000 yards and 33 for 900.

I won the Grand Aggregate that year. In a week of shooting I missed the bull only 11 times - a record high score. At long range I missed the bull twice. It was the long range performance that won the day.
 
Jim

Don't try and steal my line, I'm the only,,,,,, Legend in my own mind!

I used to shoot with the Winona Rifle Club - ORA and the Vintage matches.

Also with the Swiss boyz and our K-31's.

The odd time I made it up to Borden, then working life just got in the way.

How is Jason doing?

It has been a while for sure.

As I said, you have forgotten more in life about shooting, than the rest of us will ever learn.
 
This is my best looking one-piece. DCRA #1859

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It is in a nice laminated stock. Laminate was important because we had to shoot in the rain a lot. It is stable.
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Barrel is a 30" Shultz Larsen. These barrels were made special for shooting military ball ammo and hand lapped at the factory. We often had them installed at Bisley. These can be identified by the British proof marks.

The torque on the 2 actions crews was carefully tuned to control compensation of the ammo at long range. This one used 30 inch pounds on the front screw.

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A lot of DCRA rifles were made from brand new factory actions marked for the 22 version. They were factory surplus actions.
 
Ganderite said:
This is my best looking one-piece. DCRA #1859

Njoe8yL.jpg


It is in a nice laminated stock. Laminate was important because we had to shoot in the rain a lot. It is stable.
smR0pNl.jpg


Barrel is a 30" Shultz Larsen. These barrels were made special for shooting military ball ammo and hand lapped at the factory. We often had them installed at Bisley. These can be identified by the British proof marks.

The torque on the 2 actions crews was carefully tuned to control compensation of the ammo at long range. This one used 30 inch pounds on the front screw.

bzItpOT.jpg


A lot of DCRA rifles were made from brand new factory actions marked for the 22 version. They were factory surplus actions.
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Nothing but smiles!
 
Ganderite said:
This is my best looking one-piece. DCRA #1859

Njoe8yL.jpg


It is in a nice laminated stock. Laminate was important because we had to shoot in the rain a lot. It is stable.
smR0pNl.jpg


Barrel is a 30" Shultz Larsen. These barrels were made special for shooting military ball ammo and hand lapped at the factory. We often had them installed at Bisley. These can be identified by the British proof marks.

The torque on the 2 actions crews was carefully tuned to control compensation of the ammo at long range. This one used 30 inch pounds on the front screw.

bzItpOT.jpg


A lot of DCRA rifles were made from brand new factory actions marked for the 22 version. They were factory surplus actions.
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It showed up Monday! WOW thank you very much! Can’t wait to get it out to the range.
Cheers
Brian
 
Not a DCRA conversion, but rather a sporter made up by a gunsmith in southern Ontario many moons ago. I also came across another No 4 action that has been converted for a 1 piece stock but there is no way I will ever finish it. It may go to the ee at some point to free up space.

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