LEE Load Master

You cannot even begin to learn to shoot if your equipment doesn't work. If your gun and ammo don't work you won't finish the match. And you won't be in shooting very long. It is that simple.

:bsFlag:

Must be something wrong with me, I've been shooting since I was 7 and I've never shot a serious match. Here I am anyway, safe full of guns, ammo boxes full of 9mm, 45acp and .303, all of it loaded on Lee equipment. I'll agree it's not the worlds finest, but then I don't drive a Rolls Royce either and I still get from point A to point B and look presentable on arrival. Now, I agree I don't shoot that much, my 3 year old M&P has only 20,000 rounds through it, and my old Lee Turret Press has never loaded more than 30,000 rounds in a year(I was on Compo with a bad back, the physio guy said I could shoot all I wanted), but really don't you think that statements like that are over the top? I see this a lot from "Serious Competitors" in IPSC - you don't realize that there are more people shooting than there are competitors in IPSC, and that anything that doesn't apply to your specific interpretation of the shooting sports isn't necessarily "wrong". This characteristic is most annoying, in fact I first encountered it in a somewhat famous west cost shooter (you know who I mean) and frankly it puts more people off shooting than it encourages.
 
:bsFlag:

Must be something wrong with me, I've been shooting since I was 7 and I've never shot a serious match. Here I am anyway, safe full of guns, ammo boxes full of 9mm, 45acp and .303, all of it loaded on Lee equipment. I'll agree it's not the worlds finest, but then I don't drive a Rolls Royce either and I still get from point A to point B and look presentable on arrival. Now, I agree I don't shoot that much, my 3 year old M&P has only 20,000 rounds through it, and my old Lee Turret Press has never loaded more than 30,000 rounds in a year(I was on Compo with a bad back, the physio guy said I could shoot all I wanted), but really don't you think that statements like that are over the top? I see this a lot from "Serious Competitors" in IPSC - you don't realize that there are more people shooting than there are competitors in IPSC, and that anything that doesn't apply to your specific interpretation of the shooting sports isn't necessarily "wrong". This characteristic is most annoying, in fact I first encountered it in a somewhat famous west cost shooter (you know who I mean) and frankly it puts more people off shooting than it encourages.

You said it yourself, 'never shot a serious match'.
 
I have been using a Lee LM since 1995 and after initial problems with the priming system I decided to hand prime all my brass and eliminated the LM priming station. Since that day I have loaded and shot 10's of thousands of 45ACP used for IPCS and NEVER had an ammo failure of any sort during practice or competitions.

For what It's worth.

CS45
 
Last edited:
Thats not possible. Its only possible to make handloads on a Dillon or another expensive press.
These elitist snobs just cant seem to grasp that not everybody can afford to spend thousands of dollars.
FWIW, I won my club 400m match last year, using not only handloads made on my Lee press with Lee dies, but with a factory savage f/tr to boot ( against guys with some pretty high-end custom rigs with Nightforce scopes worth more than my scope /rifle combined)
 
Personalty, I don't care what people use...as long as it produces safe ammo.

There's another point I consider...and that's my free time (which seems to be scarce this time of year)

On my current setup I can load about 1,700 rounds per hour. 3 or 4 Sunday afternoons in the basement and I'm good for the year. Less time at the bench means more time on the range.

...I can't put a price on that free time...but I know it's far more valuable to me than what I have invested in my equipment...
 
You said it yourself, 'never shot a serious match'.

Which obviously means I'm not a "real shooter" which is, as I mentioned, one of the issues with you folks who become IPSC 'pros' - you can't see beyond your own idea of competition. As a group, guys like you and Gardner are really pretty obnoxious outside your own little world, and you send more people away from the shooting sports than you attract. Frankly guys like you are WHY I've never shot an IPSC match in 37 years, and never will.
 
How did you manage to bring IPSC into this :confused:

We have our...ahem...challenges...but so does IDPA, Bullseye...Cowboy Action, sail boaters, power boaters...do I need to go on?

Painting all the members based on the few you've is just what the antis do.

Your loss...

Which obviously means I'm not a "real shooter" which is, as I mentioned, one of the issues with you folks who become IPSC 'pros' - you can't see beyond your own idea of competition. As a group, guys like you and Gardner are really pretty obnoxious outside your own little world, and you send more people away from the shooting sports than you attract. Frankly guys like you are WHY I've never shot an IPSC match in 37 years, and never will.
 
Personalty, I don't care what people use...as long as it produces safe ammo.

There's another point I consider...and that's my free time (which seems to be scarce this time of year)

On my current setup I can load about 1,700 rounds per hour. 3 or 4 Sunday afternoons in the basement and I'm good for the year. Less time at the bench means more time on the range.

...I can't put a price on that free time...but I know it's far more valuable to me than what I have invested in my equipment...

That is always a factor. Before I had kids, spending a weekend or two a month reloading was easy. Since then, a free weekend every month or two is now a godsend :).

I had 3 years of using a Lee-1000 (I actually had 3 of them in three different calibres at one time). Used the shoestring primer enhancement and kept the primer tray loaded = no issues. I even did as many here did and pre-primed brass (removing the decapping portion in the lee dies) just to not bother with that step in the 1000.

Hell. I bought a Lee-1000 after loading 1000 .40 S&W on a SINGLE STAGE.
RCBS Rockchucker (inherited), Lee Dies, and Lee Perfect Powder measure with a RCBS 5-10 to set it to the correct charge weight).

1000 rounds of .40 S&W in roughly 20 hours on a single stage, I went to the Lee-1000 and that number dropped that down to 6 hours my first time using the press. That included 2 primer installation failures and powder cleanup. These were due to having the primer tray run low on primers after the first 100 and second 100 primers. I learned myself to keep it topped up. No issues.
My second & third Lee-1000 were bought used and by then I had needed to add in the shoestring upgrade to ensure priming agitation.
I made many thousands of .40 S&W and .38 Special with those Lee-1000's over several years. 250 rounds an hour was an easy pace with them.

As I said, the ONLY reason I switched from the Lee's was due to free time. I didn't have 4-5 hours a session anymore to relax and make ammo, more like 2-3 hours at a time.
So from 8 hours a month and $300 investment to 6 hours every two months and $1200...

What many people seem to forget is that a good portion of people do not shoot competitively and could care less about doing so at the start of their firearms enthusiasm. If someone was to come to me and recommend a press for guys shooting 10K+ rounds a year of any single calibre? I'd definitely recommend Dillon or Hornady.
For someone who wants to use maybe 2K a year? Or who loves the meditative factor for reloading? Maybe the Lee is good enough. Reloading is an escape from all outside responsibilities to me (Welcome to The Reloading Zone, leave all distractions behind...)

Enjoy the Lee Loadmaster for all you can. Should you decide to upgrade, great. That should be YOUR choice.

It's like cars. Everyone has a favourite brand.
Found On Road Dead
Drips Oil, Drops Grease Everywhere
Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time
 
Which obviously means I'm not a "real shooter" which is, as I mentioned, one of the issues with you folks who become IPSC 'pros' - you can't see beyond your own idea of competition. As a group, guys like you and Gardner are really pretty obnoxious outside your own little world, and you send more people away from the shooting sports than you attract. Frankly guys like you are WHY I've never shot an IPSC match in 37 years, and never will.

I'm counting my blessings! :D
 
So, how did this go from "looking for some help" into a full blown "LEE bashing"?

And we wonder why we can't make any significant progress in overturning bad legislation!
 
So, how did this go from "looking for some help" into a full blown "LEE bashing"?
It isn't enough for some people to say, "you fix you issue like this:..., but should really just dump the Lee because of this:...". They belong to a club and can't bear to see someone outside apparently enjoying themselves well enough.
 
Full Blown Lee and IPSC bashing.

Two for the price of one. :cool:

Not bashing IPSC at all - I have a great deal of respect both for the game and the vast majority of it's players. There are however some real *sshats that sit up on their mountain and spout stuff that isn't even applicable to all IPSC shooters, never mind the guy who wants to produce decent quality ammunition for a Sunday afternoon at the range. Then they go further and imply that if you're not shooting IPSC succesfully, you won't stay in shooting. Simply not true.
 
Back
Top Bottom