Lee Metford.

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Anyone have an idea of what an original 1892 Lee Metferd might be worth.

I don't have pictures, I'm just looking for a value range.

I got a call from a little old lady wanting to deactivate one. It was her Grandfather's from WWI, I can't remember what she said, something about him being an officer or something, the family knows the history of it from what I understand.

I strongly urged here not to deactivate it and that I would look into its value.

It sounds like it's in good to very good condition, maybe even better than that it's been hanging on a wall for decades.

Her husband died and she has no PAL. I told her as the executor she doesn't have to rush into anything.
Sorry about the Grandpa Simpson ramble. Lol
 
icollector DOT com/search.aspx?q=Metford&p=1&ps=20&is=0&ex=0&so=15&sf=1&hi=0&lo_c=1&ca=880000

fix the link and you'll see some past sales. Condition is a major factor. Whether it's sporterized or not. Things like that.

Looks like 2k+ if good and not sporterized.

Would have been more if pre-1891...
 
If her grandfather was an officer, it may be a "carbine'' or "short rifle" version, which could substantially increase value.

Also, officers did have to supply their own kit, for some items, and if the bolt shield is inscribed, with name and rank or "Army & Navy Coopereative Society" that would also increase value.

If it was purchased from the A&ECS, there would be a record of it at the U of Glasgow, which has most of the records from 1872-1934 when it stopped operating. A search would entail a fee, but that would be compensated in multiples if it were in their records.

Some firearms were purchased from them in bulk lots, rather than separately. There would still be a serial number range for such firearms.

There is another contact in the US, which I don't know if it's still available. John Hipwell would have that information.
 
You guys are such optimists... If I could have a dollar for every time someone told me they had an heirloom from their whatnot who was in the military and it turned out to be a sporter... :( Not that a metford sporter isn't valuable, just not _that_ valuable...
Hope you are right though.
 
I've got a 2015 Ford 150. What's it worth? Well maybe nothing if its a rusted out wreck and maybe 50K if its in decent condition with all the bells and whistles.

Honestly anything we say is useless speculation without morte details and pictures.
 
I've got a 2015 Ford 150. What's it worth? Well maybe nothing if its a rusted out wreck and maybe 50K if its in decent condition with all the bells and whistles.

Honestly anything we say is useless speculation without morte details and pictures.
I'm well aware. I'm just trying to get an idea of the value in varying conditions so I have at least a little info when I call her back.
 
I'm well aware. I'm just trying to get an idea of the value in varying conditions so I have at least a little info when I call her back.
The valuation in Post #2 is about as accurate as you can get without more details on the rifle.

It conflicts me to say the following, and not everyone will agree. Normally I cringe at the thought of neutering any firearm by deactivation. BUT if the family has no PAL holders, and the little old lady would like to keep a piece of family history in the family... then this might be the first time i would agree with deactivation, and good on her if the memory is more important than the money. Blame our liberal government for putting a family in this predicament, don;t blame the old lady.

My family has a SAA that belonged to our great grandfather. At some time in the future someone will have to make an unpleasant decision on the future for that old gun. There is no perfect answer to this siutation
 
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You guys are such optimists... If I could have a dollar for every time someone told me they had an heirloom from their whatnot who was in the military and it turned out to be a sporter... :( Not that a metford sporter isn't valuable, just not _that_ valuable...
Hope you are right though.
Lots of people back in the day either stole, were allowed to purchase, or bought a similar firearm that was surplussed to replace the rifle they were issued in service.

The prevailing trend was often to "personally customize" those firearms.

When large conflicts are over, firearms used during military service in the hands of civilians, is often frowned upon by the mainstream media and the often WOKE nose diggers they cater to.

Not only that, but the people carrying those rifles were more interested in the "utility" of the firearm as a meat getter than preserving its history.

So, they cut off everything they felt they wouldn't need, or made too much noise, etc.

Large businesses were founded on customizing these otherwise unwanted firearms to make them more appealing to working class folks who felt a nice sporting rifle was a status symbol.

Times have changed for many folks who want or like the look of the rifle's original design.

They bewail the "molesting" of surplus firearms.

They don't realize that what made many of our firearms traditions come into common practice would not have happened if those firearms hadn't been "customized."

Many old timers who served tell their children, or whoever wants to listen, that they have a firearm just like the one they were issued.

The listener doesn't really want to hear "just like," or just wants to believe the firearm was actually used by their ancestor while serving.

Most nations required their servicemen to return their firearms to the armory upon release from service.

The odd one may have "slipped through the cracks," but they are very rare.

I knew one fellow who served during peace time, after the Korean War was over.

He remembered the serial number of the rifle he was issued, as it was a requirement to memorize that number while in service.

When he turned it in, right around the time Canada was starting to issue FAL type rifles, it had seen better days, but was still functional and clean.

In the mid seventies, he went to the local Hudson's Bay store in Vernon, BC, to buy one of the No4 Mk1 type rifles they were advertising in the local paper. There was a big table, covered with as many rifles as it would hold, for customers to pick through. All had gone through an FTR.

His first idea was to purchase one that had already been converted to sporter configuration, however, he found he could save $8 if he purchased an as issue rifle, and being a handy type, he could configure it himself.

To his delight, he found one of the rifles bore the same serial number as the rifle he carried.

The rifle looked as new, with a full FTR. New stock wood, fresh finish, and a new barrel, all covered in a fine film of preservative, but not packed in grease.

The chances of such a find are almost impossible to calculate.

Guess what he did? He took that heirloom home, verified the serial number from some of his release documents and receipts, then took it out to the shop, pulled off all the bits he didn't need while hunting, and promptly sawed off the fore end.

Go figure.
 
If the family treasures and believes this is great-great gf's world WW1 issue rifle, then that is exactly what it is. Condition, sporterizing, valuation, etc are what we worry about but the family probably couldn't care less.
 
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As Jon9021 said - post is useless without pics.
Am quite certain an 1892 Lee Metford would be a Lee Metford Mk 1, which is the model with the eight shot single stack magazine. Not a rifle that would have seen service in WW1 - or the Boer war for that matter.
 
Ok, picture's worth a thousand words, or 100 gripes from gunnutz people. lol

Belonged to Col. William Herbert Magwood 1870 - 1960
Issued in W.W.I. Col. Magwood was a member of the Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders in Cornwall, On., and for several years its commander-in-chief.

Fortunately I convinced them not to deactivate it.

lee metferd.jpg
 
Small correction. 1896 not 92.
Any chance of getting a rough value now with a pic?
Still emphasizing rough value.
I'm not sure if it's history has any impact on it. This is out of my wheelhouse.
 
wrangler, that rifle isn't in "rough shape"

It's complete and still retains the proper magazine.

The brass butt plate is discolored, but it will polish up without loss of value.

Is the bore pitted?

Even if it is, that rifle will have substantial value to collectors, and they will be lining up to give you offers, after hundreds of requests for more pics, of course.

I'm going to say $2800 as a starting point.

Being that it has provenence and Canadian stamps, the price is likely just that, a starting point, but likely much higher.

My "starting" price would be for a "good only conditition rifle" with lots of dents, pitted bore, but complete.

I don't know if you could get a "real" value for it, without some hands on inspection by a trusted evaluator.
 
Same year auctioned recently, the plaque should be equivalent to the provenance of your example

https://www.icollector.com/item.aspx?i=55408163

2000

Cleaning rod missing on your example? Thank you.
Good question. I suspect it was used to stab a German soldier through the heart during a trench battle. Lol

I don't really know. I'm just trying to help a little old 81 grandaughter keep from getting screwed by the Police or some low-balling dealer type. I have only talked to her a couple of times.
 
Good question. I suspect it was used to stab a German soldier through the heart during a trench battle. Lol

I don't really know. I'm just trying to help a little old 81 grandaughter keep from getting screwed by the Police or some low-balling dealer type. I have only talked to her a couple of times.
Have her send it to auction then, someone who sells lots of military surplus. Switzers is imo better organized. Wards is a bit chaotic in their listing. Others do not deal with this kind of gun as much. Compare their fees.

I posted what a very similar gun sold for recently. She can expect to get at least that much, probably, hopefully more.
 
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