**Legal info for short pump action shotguns**

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Brian46 said:
I could care less about a roadside check. I bought it legally and have all paperwork to prove that it is legal.
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I'm not saying it is illegal, I'm simply pointing out that it is silly to no ask questions of the cfc out of some hysterical fear that they will say, oh wait there must have been a mistake thanx for bringing it to our attention. Or some such nonsense that is being suggested here the past few weeks. :rolleyes:

Buy one, register it, and enjoy it. :)
 
ponts said:
How about locking some of these threads that endlessly challenge the legality of a LEGAL product? How long does the bashing of a LEGAL product being sold by a CGN SPONSORED DEALER have to happen?

It is time for the mods to get involved and stand up for one of there sponsored dealers!!!!!
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My intent wasn't to bash a legal product. Someone said that they had documents to prove that it is legal. I was just wondering what these documents were as they would definitely stop some of the bashing.

Headdamage says that all of this only applies to the 870 (I'm assuming as sold by Dlask) and that it us under review. If this is true than I can hardly see how people asking for legal proof that their guns won't go restricted in the future is dealer bashing.

I for one applaud Dlask and the individuals associated with this project for bringing it to the market.

Ponts, as for intelligent posts. Every time someone has a legitimate concern or question your response is basically to tell them to quit their #####in about a legal product. Wow, great answer. I've read the threads, I know that certs are being issued, and I also know that this appears to go against the legal definition. So please, explain it to me, since you're such an expert in the matter. FYI these threads were started before Dlask became a licensed dealer on this site
 
and I also know that this appears to go against the legal definition.
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It appears to hinge on the definition of 'modified'.

You cannot modify a gun such that it is below certain parameters. But.. does replacing a factory stock with another factory stock constitute 'modification'?

Apperently not. And that makes some sense, considering that this would mean everytime someone replaced a stock the gun would become prohib'd if it were below the minimums, even if it started out that way.

When you look at the law that way - there is clearly not a violation. Sawing down an existing stock might be a modification, but replacing a stock with another factory made stock is not. It obviously did not occur to them to consider pistol grips when they wrote the law. They DID consider folders, which are definitely out.

So with that in mind - as long as the barrel is factory made and the stock is as well, the law doesn't forbid it. It's relatively simple when you see it from that angle. In the past we always assumed changing a stock would be 'modifying the gun' in the eyes of the law, but obviously they didn't see it that way and it does make sense. It's not a 'modification' to install factory parts. Only changing the barrel length is expressly forbidden.
 
Foxer said:
It appears to hinge on the definition of 'modified'.

You cannot modify a gun such that it is below certain parameters. But.. does replacing a factory stock with another factory stock constitute 'modification'?

Apperently not. And that makes some sense, considering that this would mean everytime someone replaced a stock the gun would become prohib'd if it were below the minimums, even if it started out that way.

When you look at the law that way - there is clearly not a violation. Sawing down an existing stock might be a modification, but replacing a stock with another factory made stock is not. It obviously did not occur to them to consider pistol grips when they wrote the law. They DID consider folders, which are definitely out.

So with that in mind - as long as the barrel is factory made and the stock is as well, the law doesn't forbid it. It's relatively simple when you see it from that angle. In the past we always assumed changing a stock would be 'modifying the gun' in the eyes of the law, but obviously they didn't see it that way and it does make sense. It's not a 'modification' to install factory parts. Only changing the barrel length is expressly forbidden.
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Ok, I see what you're saying and their does appear to be some logic. Where I get lost is how this new found logic only applies to 870's. Basically, if this is legal, than why are people saying that I can't put a factory pistol grip on my Ithaca 37 with 14" barrel. The rules (if it is indeed a rule) must be applied equally, not haphazardly.
 
i think people seem to not grasp the concept of "manufacturer" vs some guy slapping pistol grips on anything they want because a MANUFACTURED gun has it.Gunsmiths arent manufacturers either.
 
Basically, if this is legal, than why are people saying that I can't put a factory pistol grip on my Ithaca 37 with 14" barrel.
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First off - i'm not sure the person was correct. I never trust any info i hear from the CFC from just one phone call :) They get stuff wrong.

If it is correct, i would guess that because it's got an frt number that it's a recognized configuration in their database, and would therefore not require a verifier or some such thing.
 
They cant help,its their nature to whine and piss and complain until nobody has something they arent able to buy.
 
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