Legal or not?
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I don't know if the oal would be calculated including that of the AR or that of the 870 alone??? It looks like the 870 by it's self cannot be shot without the support of the other fire arm.
Worth checking into it.
Worth checking into it.
There was a loooong thread dealing with this 'Masterkey'. And there are still a few issues to deal with.
Barrel, it has to be a factory manufactured barrel, if less than 18", as the one in the pic appears to be.
As mentioned, the T.O.L. has to be greater than 26". The 'problem' of using the shotgun alone and saying that it could not be used without the "host" AR15 was sort of answered. As with all things legal, would probably take a court challange to get a definate interpretation. I believe if the stock 'stud' was removed from the 870 receiver, thereby eliminating the installation of a butt stock would help the cause saying the host AR15 would provide the T.O.L. of the entire firearm.
And again as already mentioned, and mentioned in the old thread, if you marry the 870 up to a restricted host gun, AR15, then it becomes restricted anyway..
The old thread was trying to deal with having the 'Masterkey' on a non-restricted firearm, and therefore even with the T.O.L. of the 870 being less than 26", it was being discussed using the host gun to be included in the T.O.L. of the non-restricted gun and the 'Masterkey'.
Barrel, it has to be a factory manufactured barrel, if less than 18", as the one in the pic appears to be.
As mentioned, the T.O.L. has to be greater than 26". The 'problem' of using the shotgun alone and saying that it could not be used without the "host" AR15 was sort of answered. As with all things legal, would probably take a court challange to get a definate interpretation. I believe if the stock 'stud' was removed from the 870 receiver, thereby eliminating the installation of a butt stock would help the cause saying the host AR15 would provide the T.O.L. of the entire firearm.
And again as already mentioned, and mentioned in the old thread, if you marry the 870 up to a restricted host gun, AR15, then it becomes restricted anyway..
The old thread was trying to deal with having the 'Masterkey' on a non-restricted firearm, and therefore even with the T.O.L. of the 870 being less than 26", it was being discussed using the host gun to be included in the T.O.L. of the non-restricted gun and the 'Masterkey'.
In Michigan USA where I believe this is made by a company called Sage International---------it is not legal for civilian sales. Barrel must be 16.25 inches and have an overall length of 26 inches. State laws mandate if overall length is 26<30 inches it must be registered as a pistol since it can be fired by itself with being attached to the AR.
However Although the US makes an issue with barrel length, we do not have this requirement with pump guns (18.5" applies to everything else, making a non-restricted into a restricted), so with respect to the shotgun we do have an overall length to respect.
I guess it's a good thing this isn't the US.leek said:In Michigan USA where I believe this is made by a company called Sage International---------it is not legal for civilian sales. Barrel must be 16.25 inches and have an overall length of 26 inches. State laws mandate if overall length is 26<30 inches it must be registered as a pistol since it can be fired by itself with being attached to the AR.
The argument being put forward in the previous thread was that the host firearm became the "stock", thus meeting the overall length requirement. I'm not sure what was ever determined.
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i was the one in the masterkey thresad a few years ago now. after hours of phone calls and emails this is how it goes.
the barrel cannot be shortened under 18.5. you can use factory barrels of whatever length you find.
the shotgun can NEVER be re-registered. it will stay non-restricted. the AR becomes the stock.
the AR stays restricted so the masterkey can only be used at the range.
after making one, the weight and uncomfortable shooting starts to grow boring..
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well if you intend to shoot it sans butstock, the gun becomes prohibited.
if you do shoot it sans butstock, then you hopefully have done the world a service by eliminating yourself from the gene pool.
if you do shoot it sans butstock, then you hopefully have done the world a service by eliminating yourself from the gene pool.
