Legal TP9 10 rounders

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Bear with me, I've thought of an idea. Just call me crazy.

non-restricted shotgun + pistol grip only stock = handgun & restricted

therefore,

18.5" bbl TP9 "Pistol" (stock removed, leaving only pistol grip) = handgun?

Handgun = 10 round mags.



It's about time we start using their polices against them.

Wolverine? Still have that TP9 Pistol sample? How about getting it re-barreled and re-submitted for review?
 
Wolverine already tried this approach. Don't need to put the longer barrel on it by the way, simply take the stock off. Apparently the idea didn't fly with the powers that be. Too bad.
 
No.

First of all.
Whether the firearm is restricted or not has nothing to do with magazine capacity.

Second.
Any and all magazines which are made for handguns are limited to 10 rounds.
Any and all magazines which are made for centerfire long arms that are semi-automatic are restricted to 5 rounds
Any and all magazines which are made for rimfire long arms have no magazine restriction.
Any and all magazines which are made for centerfire long arms that are bolt action, pump action or lever action have no magazine restriction.

Third.
If a firearm accepts a magazine that was made for another firearms whose magazine restrictions are different it is not illegal to use.

Fourth and Final.
Wolverine has already tried to bring 10 round mags for the TP9. They even had a "pistol" TP9 receiver made by B&T and the RCMP lab did not accept it. That is why we don't already have 10 round mags for the TP9.*

I suggest you go visit the CFC website and have a little read in the "Fact sheets".

*Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Since when has putting a pistol grip only stock on a shotgun now make it a restricted firearm ? I dont think so , may want to look into that one a little further buddy.
 
I have burred myself on my computer this week researching our laws... 2 days I got headaches, 1 day I went to bed early, another I wanted to throw away my computer. I dunno... the laws are supposed to belong to us all, yet most of us can't fully understand them.
 
It's no longer on their website but Blue Line was selling TP9 pistols. They already make TP9 pistols for America. I assume we're talking about the B&T TP9..... And why would it have an 18.5 inch barrell, especially since it would be restricted regardless of barrell length since its a handgun?
 
Wolverine tried it. The laws said the magazine must be for "a pistol commonly available in Canada." I guess the single pistol model wasn't "commonly available" enough.
 
Kc.338Lp said:
Since when has putting a pistol grip only stock on a shotgun now make it a restricted firearm ? I dont think so , may want to look into that one a little further buddy.
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He's referring to those 8.5" barreled shotguns. Since the law only makes mention of guns under a certain length because of folding or collapsing, guys were slapping pistol grips on 8.5" shotguns and calling them legal.

RCMP decided they didn't want non-restricted shotguns so short, so they shook their BS Crystal Ball and decided a pistol grip shotgun under the set overall limit is designed to fire one handed, thus a pistol, thus restricted.

Complete bull####, I know.
 
Armedsask said:
RCMP decided they didn't want non-restricted shotguns so short, so they shook their BS Crystal Ball and decided a pistol grip shotgun under the set overall limit is designed to fire one handed, thus a pistol, thus restricted.
Complete bulls**t, I know.
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Was this ever finally and credibly confirmed? I lost interest in that issue a long time ago after so many months of speculation...
 
B said:
Was this ever finally and credibly confirmed? I lost interest in that issue a long time ago after so many months of speculation...
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Nothing was ever confirmed that I know of. Nothing is ever confirmed until some one is charged and it goes to court.
 
Not gonna happen boys....here's the word from the man who knows more bout this than any of us armchair quarterbacks...

Mr Wolverine said:
The question of magazine capacity has been covered at great length in previous posts. In my view shoulder stocks have nothing to do with pistol classification, consider the Luger, Mauser and Browning etc. The RCMP/CFC argued that the TP 9 was a CV (Commercial Variant) and there for not a pistol! We presented them with a model specially designed to meet what we considered were the Canadian requirements along with some excellent 10 rd mags. We were told no and that the issue would not be discussed in writing with them, I could appeal through my MP. I am sorry but I didn’t think it worth the time or effort to pursue.
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I own a TP9 and the five round mag limit sucks donkey b@lls.:mad:
 
cadgo said:
It's no longer on their website but Blue Line was selling TP9 pistols. They already make TP9 pistols for America. I assume we're talking about the B&T TP9..... And why would it have an 18.5 inch barrell, especially since it would be restricted regardless of barrell length since its a handgun?
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From our site

Brugger & Thomet TP9

The TP9 is a light weight, small size, has a folding stock. The TP9 fires the standard 9mm cartridge. The super light recoil impulse of this weapon is a very easy, comfortable and user friendly firearm to shoot. The TP9 is an ambidextrous operator friendly design. The safety, charging handle, sling attachment and magazine release functions are designed to accommodate all users. The operator does not place their hand or finger anywhere near the muzzle of the firearm. The TP9 Comes in a convenient carrying case with a sling and two magazines. NEW.

Best regards,
Scott
 
*sigh* I guess it was my mistake for not explaining the background. I guess not everyone is up to speed here.

Wolverine submitted a TP9 pistol for review. The idea of getting it classified as a pistol due to not having a stock was rejected by the RCMP and they reinstated that the TP9 pistol was in fact a restricted rifle.

On the other end of the scale the RCMP have decided that non-restricted shotguns with pistol grip only stocks are considered handguns because they were designed or adapted to be fired with a single hand. I anticipate that new shotguns with pistol grip only stocks submitted for review would get this restricted classification. As far as I know this was only a ruling towards companies selling shotties with aftermarket pistol grip only stocks.

Anyhow, using this logic against them we could submit a nonrestricted TP9 pistol for review on the basis that these normally non-restricted shotguns are being classified as restricted due to being a "handgun".
 
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