Legalities of a 10 round magazine in a semi shotgun

Thanks for the responses so far. I would like to be clear that I would not use a 10 rounder while bush bashing as far as bear protection would go I was thinking out loud as far as keeping one or two 10ers in the truck. Target shooting on crown land was what I was more concerned with if the wrong cop or CO come along. All things being equal I did put my hands on a 10 rounder at my LGS this morning and while “cool” I do have to agree with you all here they are long and unruly and bloody heavy when loaded. I think I will just stick with the stock mags and buy a few more. Thanks for the responses and happy shooting. Cheers!
 
The only person you'll get a definative answer from is the judge you're standing in front of;
and then it's only his opinion.
(convoluted laws).
 
HadEnuff said:
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72. RCMP. Google it and quit asking and debating answers. It's all there in black and white.

Short answer. Yes, the 10 round "manual action" designed mags are "legal" in a semi autos.....
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This.
 
Juster said:
It is all about "designed or intended" not what it is pushed into, and has been done to death. Hunting regs are something else, with local and seasonal variations.
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Mr. Wolverine should be able to answer your question in less time than it took to write the original post.
And yes, the hunting regs are pretty adamant at what you can stuff in a magazine.
Rob
 
nugunner said:
Depending on what you want them for, Aguila is making 12 ga. Minishells, about half as long as regular ones. At 1-3/4" they just about double your capacity. They're marketing them for 3-gun and other action shooting sports and self defence (what isn't, except maybe blanks?) I'd think in action shooting, the only problem might be too little mass to knock down steel targets.
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Interesting. So by my calculations a 3.5" marked gun has 17.5" of tube which equates to 10 of the minishells you speak of. Plus one on the gate and one in the tube for 12 total.

That would help on a 3 gun course for sure......
 
snooker said:
The only person you'll get a definative answer from is the judge you're standing in front of;
and then it's only his opinion.
(convoluted laws).
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Judges cant just make it up as they go along. Laws (even as convoluted as Canadian firearms laws) are there for a reason and cannot be ignored, even by judges.
 
Sniffer said:
Interesting. So by my calculations a 3.5" marked gun has 17.5" of tube which equates to 10 of the minishells you speak of. Plus one on the gate and one in the tube for 12 total.

That would help on a 3 gun course for sure......
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I tried them in my Stoeger M3K...They wouldn’t reliably cycle and they had no knock down power for steel poppers. In my pump they were fun, but again, underpowered for a lot of heavier steel targets.
 
Well last way to go about it is get a ksg-25 it holds 23x-3” 25x-2 3/4” and 41x mini shells and they do function minis which are cool
 
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brybenn said:
I think it would not be legal. Looking at remington pump rifles theyre mags used in a semi must be pinned. Whereas pistol mags can hold 10 and designed for pistol. Turkish mags are designed for shotguns not pistols. Legal 10 rounds for pumps but if put in a semi its a 10 round mag designed for a shotgun. Semi auto shotguns must be plugged to 5.
I am no lawyer though. Just have a little bit of law and experience working in the courts
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It doesn't matter what you're using it in. You have the look at the legality of the device itself.

If the magazine is legal in one gun, it is legal in them all.
 
Sniffer said:
Judges cant just make it up as they go along. Laws (even as convoluted as Canadian firearms laws) are there for a reason and cannot be ignored, even by judges.
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A judge can interpret the law differently than another of the same intelligence, but who may have a different opinion of firearms.
Case law is there to help prevent that, but court challenges, sentences and convictions are for the appeal courts and can be a long, slow process with no guarantee of the conviction or process being overturned.
 
If I were standing in front of a judge trying to explain why my semi automatic shotgun is allowed to hold 10 rounds when the law states they must not exceed 5 rounds I doubt I would win. Just because a 10 round magazine is legal in a pump action doesn't make it legal to use in your semi auto shotgun. (Which must not use a magazine that allows it to exceed 5 shots)
 
A manufacturer makes a semi auto shotgun and a pump action shotgun.
The manufacturer makes a 10 round magazine that fits and functions in both.
Is the magazine designed and manufactured to be used in the pump gun or in the auto?
Or is the manufacturer producing a magazine for use in either product?
Can it be proved that the magazine was designed and manufactured for use in the pump gun and only coincidentally fits and functions in the auto?
 
guntech said:
If I were standing in front of a judge trying to explain why my semi automatic shotgun is allowed to hold 10 rounds when the law states they must not exceed 5 rounds I doubt I would win. Just because a 10 round magazine is legal in a pump action doesn't make it legal to use in your semi auto shotgun. (Which must not use a magazine that allows it to exceed 5 shots)
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That's not how the law reads at all, and you should know that. Magazines are addressed specifically in the laws and their capacity is determined by the type of firearm they were designed to be used in and the type of cartridge they were designed to hold. Using them in different firearm and loading them with different cartridges does not have any bearing on the legality of the magazine.
 
tiriaq said:
A manufacturer makes a semi auto shotgun and a pump action shotgun.
The manufacturer makes a 10 round magazine that fits and functions in both.
Is the magazine designed and manufactured to be used in the pump gun or in the auto?
Or is the manufacturer producing a magazine for use in either product?
Can it be proved that the magazine was designed and manufactured for use in the pump gun and only coincidentally fits and functions in the auto?
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They are different. The last round bolt hold open feature does not work with the pump mags. The follower is different. Whether that’s enough or not in front of a judge I dunno, I doubt crown really wants to push this any more than Beowulf mags, 10/22 mags, etc.
 
Blastattack said:
That's not how the law reads at all, and you should know that. Magazines are addressed specifically in the laws and their capacity is determined by the type of firearm they were designed to be used in and the type of cartridge they were designed to hold. Using them in different firearm and loading them with different cartridges does not have any bearing on the legality of the magazine.
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Well feel free to load your 10 round pump magazine into your semi auto shotgun and go hunting... be sure to tell the co's to take a hike...

I don't understand all the hype about large magazines in a shotgun... loaded shotguns are heavy to start with.. are the zombies really that thick out there?
 
guntech said:
Well feel free to load your 10 round pump magazine into your semi auto shotgun and go hunting... be sure to tell the co's to take a hike...
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I don’t think anyone is discussing hunting with a 10rd pump mag in a semi, more like fun time shooting on crown land.

Although it would be legal to hunt with a 10rd pump mag fully loaded with slugs in a semi, hunting with slugs in BC isn’t included in the 2+1 rule and shooting a 10rd mag designed for a pump or manual action firearm in a semi auto it happens to fit in is fine. Magazine rules have been covered for awhile in the horse cops special bulletin No.72, it’s there for the reading and has been already mentioned in this thread.
 
guntech said:
Well feel free to load your 10 round pump magazine into your semi auto shotgun and go hunting... be sure to tell the co's to take a hike...

I don't understand all the hype about large magazines in a shotgun... loaded shotguns are heavy to start with.. are the zombies really that thick out there?
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The larger mags are great for many uses, be it for a defensive role, competition, or just for fun as most buy them for.

I know one thing, I cant think of a better bear defense or competition platform than a FD12 with a 10rd AS46 pump gun mag with a 5rd extension on the bottom enabling you to have 15rds of 12ga on tap. Quick to load and charge, it has taken its place as the quad gun when I am in bear country as the regs require all firearms be unloaded during transport on/in a motor vehicle.

And yes my FD12 has been 100% reliable with full power loads.
 
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If the mag was clearly marked for a pump action shot gun, I would not worry.
But on these shot guns, I don't think anything is on the mag, so what gun was it made for????? that would be the big question in court.
I know a couple dealers and RCMP members that don't know the regulations on this
Plus I find a mag fed shot gun a ##### to carry, on a quad, or in the closet, I could see it.
 
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