Let the numbers speak for themselves

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Although the deer herd in Quebec has reached record highs (quantity), the rapidly growing hunter population of Qc has observed the two following phenomenon’s; an unbalanced herd in the favor of females, and a lack of mature males among the deer population.

30 years ago in Qc you could hunt whitetail deer of any age or gender. When the alarming numbers of deer that were harvested every year declined dramatically (1964/11 409 to 1973/ 3 492) Quebec had no choice but to change its hunting regulations. There would be no more hunting of doe’s or their fawns for many years. The lack of deer and the low chances of success also contributed to a huge drop in the sales of hunting permits from 126 474 to 68 565 over the course of those (+/-)10 years.

In 1974 there were 57 734 permits sold and 1155 deer’s harvested, a success rate of 2%. 30 years later in 2004, 57 926 deer were harvested with a success rate of 35%. This goes to show that the regs were made in a fashion to increase the deer population, and that it did it well…. Too “well” in certain areas actually. There are some places in QC where the deer density is estimated to be as high as 15.8 deer/km².

An overabundance is usually not healthy for a species. In the case of the overabundance of deer in Qc we have encountered several problems; Higher deer related traffic accidents, damage to farmers crops, and there is also a risk of disease and malnourishment where there are high concentrations of deer. A study has shown that there has been a decline in the overall size/weight of the bucks found in Quebec in the last 30 years. From 1973-1980 the average weight for a 1 ½ yr. old buck was 57,64kg, the average from 1996-2000 was 52,33kg. As for mature bucks (5 ½ yr. old) the average weight in 1973-1980 was 99,59kg and 76,60kg in 1996-2000. Is this from malnourishment? Genes? Pollution? Habitat changes? Other? You be the judge. (I will not go into great detail, but this same study has shown us that the antlers of our bucks have also seen a decline in size).

In the year 2000 54% of bucks that were harvested in QC were approx. 1 ½ yrs.old, and 11.5% were estimated to be over 4 ½ years of age. The remaining 34.5% that were harvested were either doe’s or fawns. There are even area’s that have up to 74% of their harvest being composed of bucks approx. 1 ½ yrs.old. It is also interesting to note that in the year 2000 the average age for the entire Quebec harvest was 2,41 yrs.old.

As hunters we have had to change our ways over the course of the last +/- 30 years to help the growth of our deer population. Wouldn’t it be time to collect the fruits of our labor? With over population of females and a low number of mature males I believe that changes in our wildlife management programs are in order. Couldn’t hunting be used as a tool to help fix these problems?
 
Goose I am too ignorant about Quebec deer hunting to make an opinion.


How about you tell us:

Where is the best deer hunting regions?
What is the general season dates and length of season?
What is the traditional hunting method? IE: Alberta it's road hunting! :D
Are you allowed to use bait? Like N. Sask...
Dogs? Like Ontario...
Is high power centerfire legal? I would imagine it's shotgun only in many areas...


I am no deer biologist but I believe when doe/buck ratios get out of whack then you gotta sell more doe tags and maybe bring in buck draw or something... :confused:
 
When the area I hunt (rockies of alberta) had more does then bucks, They allowed 2 does to be taken. It was only allowed for 1 month but looks like it will be allowed again this year!
 
Here we have doe draws, and in places we have open doe seasons where the population is too strong.

Have you discussed this with one of your provincial biologists?
 
15 deer per sq klm is unreal, no doubt setting up a disease threat, I understand that that would be the Russian judge and not norm but geesh that is large numbers, alarmingly high!
 
I will try to keep this as simple as possible… There are so many exceptions and special clause’s in our regs that it is sometimes harder to decipher than the Davinci code.


open-sights said:
Is there a limited entry system in Quebec? If so does it allow for doe draws?


http://www.sepaq.com/En/Pages/TIR/Pdf/CerfSansBois2006A.pdf
“In 2006 the Ministere des Resources Naturelles et de la Faune du Quebec will hold a random draw to award 27, 985 (estimate) special permits for limited hunting of antlerless deer in zones or parts of zones, wildlife reserves and controlled harvesting zones. All Quebecers are admissible to this draw,….”


““In 2006 the Ministere des Resources Naturelles et de la Faune du Quebec will hold a random draw to award 5, 340(estimate) special permits to landowners for limited hunting of antlerless deer....”


““In 2006 the Ministere des Resources Naturelles et de la Faune du Quebec will hold a random draw to award 1, 374(estimate) special permits for limited hunting of antlerless deer to people with disabilities....”


We know that during the last 30 years or so, the doe’s among our herd have been spared. We are also aware that the governing ministries have given out more special permits for the hunt of antlerless deer in the regions where the population has become overwhelming… But is it enough? The harvest of antlerless deer still constitutes a small percentage of the harvest every year. In 2004 only 29% of the harvest were Doe’s, In 1995 it was a shabby 27%. How are we ever going to balance out the herd if only 30% of our harvest is comprised of doe’s?
 
Demonical said:
Goose
How about you tell us:

1.Where is the best deer hunting regions?
2.What is the general season dates and length of season?
3.What is the traditional hunting method? IE: Alberta it's road hunting! :D
4.Are you allowed to use bait? Like N. Sask...
5.Dogs? Like Ontario...
6.Is high power centerfire legal? I would imagine it's shotgun only in many areas...


1. most, if not all of white tail hunting is done in the southern part of Qc.
http://www.mrnfp.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/maps/index.asp
High density zones
4
5
6
8

Moderate density zones
3 ouest
7
9ouest
10
11

weak density zones
1
2
3 est
9 est
15
13


2.
http://www.mrnfp.gouv.qc.ca/english.../hunting-regulations/calendar-limits/deer.asp

3. baiting and stand, stalk and walk. Not much road hunting permited.

4.yes baiting is awesome!!! (especially for bears;) )

5.no dogs

6. Most of the hunting is done with a high calibre (centrefire) rifle. shotgun hunting constitues a small percentage.
 
The thing that I see hurts us most in my area of Manitoba is hunter attitude. Most hunters around here will not shoot a doe, but keep trying for the big buck, and when they run out of time they will shoot a button buck [fawn], and think nothing of it. This keeps out population high, and size small. A rancher trying to build a heard will not cull the best bulls every year, and kill off the young males, without giving them a chance to grow up.
 
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