lets compare high end scopes

[daniellybbert]

how many moa of elevation and windage do you figure is nessasary to shoot out a very long distance
I like the Idea of haveing the most I can get
sucks to be limited

 

[dan belisle]

Figure out the drop in whatever caliber you're shooting at 1000 meters, then you'll know what MOA adjustments you'll need. - dan

 

[Slavex]

dude I do this fun, so the LCF is very very important. I am not interested in shooting crappy looking gear. I guess I am lucky to also be a decent shooter, so that helps. But LCF is figures very importantly into my buying decisions when it comes to guns and accessories.

 

[RePete]

just about all the good manufacturer of rings makes a 34mm set. bases are standard.
you just can't walk away from the S&B once you've looked through one. but you might want to add $1000 to your price for one.

Ain't that the truth.

I use a S&B PM-II 5 - 25 X 56 Illuminated Scope with the P4 reticle.

It is AWESOME!!!!! Glass is clear & bright with no distortion.

Plus it is a First Focal Plane Reticle which makes reticle ranging easier.For those that Aren't familiar with the FFP Reticles, the reticle changes in size when you change magnifacation............IE: power up and the reticle grows larger, power down and the reticle gets smaller........

I have shot using Leupold Mark IVs (owned several for years), U.S. Optics, B&L, and Nightforce.

In fact I was going to buy a Nightforce before I looked through the S&B...............For my eyes there was no comparison............... I went with the S&B.............They have also come down in price since I bought mine last year.The list price was around $3800.00 when I was looking to buy................

The U.S. Optics scopes are very nice and you can Custom order many different features..........I stayed away because they were infamous for s**tty customer service from the late owner...........however I understand that the Late owners son now runs the company and customer service has improved considerably.

The only other scope that I would say is close to the S&B glasswise is the discontinued B&L 10X Tactical scope (NOT the $300.00 version currently out there)..............it was a bargain at $950.00 back in 1996..............

Your best bet is to actually look through the different scopes in different conditions to see what your eyes like...........everyone's eyes are different..........

but really, when you hit the top line scopes in the name brands, you can't really go wrong.........

SKBY.

I have a 3-12x50 S&B PMII LR and it 's the clearest scope I've seen. IMHO it's clearer than my friends Zeiss.

I also have a Leupy Mk4 16x and I like it too, but it isn't as clearas an S&B.

Well I can tell you all about the S&B warranty, you go through Wolverine, and they'll treat you like gold. I had issues with my first two 5-25x Fine Reticle PMIIs. Reticle marking paint was splattered in a few areas of the lens and while not it didn't obscure anything important, it's like fingerprints in the paint of your Lamborghini, not good. The only downside was the wait for the new scopes to come to replace the one I had (it happened twice). The upside was that S&B authorized me to keep the screwed up one each time, until the new unit was at Wolverine and then it was only a couple days to do the swap. S&B/Wolverine also paid shipping both times.
I seem to have wonderful luck when it comes to this kind of thing, as I've had problems with almost every 1st time item I've ever bought. I could've gone with a USO, or a Nightforce, or another Leupold, or whatever, but in the end I picked the scope that I thought I could best see through and use. It also had the best magnification range for my uses, although the new 12.5-50 that'll be at SHOT Show 2008 has 757Fixer and I drooling already.
as for buying an S&B in Europe being cheaper, not in my experience. I have friends who are shooters in numerous European countries and had them look into getting me this scope, or setting me up with a dealer. Even without paying one of those countries taxes, by the time you factor in shipping, insurance and the price, it was within $100 of buying it here. Knowing that all I had to do was drive 20 minutes to VBull Precisions place and pick it up, was a hell of lot easier than waiting on it to come from Norway or Switzerland and maybe get lost.
Now PE90 mags are a totally different story. those are much much cheaper in Europe.

I can vouch for the spot on one of the scopes, as Slavex showed me the day he picked it up.

To say the least it was annoying, to pay that much coin and have a spot.