Let's see those LONG Mausers! (a rifle #### thread)

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Allright everyone, let's show off the long Mausers. What's a long Mauser you might ask? Well, it's what it sounds like - the infantry long rifle versions of Mauser-made cartridge arms (or licensed copies thereof from places like DWM, Loewe, Steyr, etc.).

Karabiners, carbines, artillery carbines and cavalry shorties need not apply!!!! :eek:

I'll start things off with most of mine (at present). I have a Turkish Kirikale M38 that isn't shown because it's disassembled for cleaning/maintenance.

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From top to bottom:

1) 1915 Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori M96 (matching)
2) Peruvian M1891/12, DWM, Modelo 1891 (m/m bolt)
3) M1909 Modelo Argentino, DWM (matching)
4) Brazilian M1935, Mauser Oberndorf (matching)
5) Chilean Modelo 1912, Steyr (m/m bolt)

All have the appropriate bayonet except the M1909 and all have the proper slings attached except the 1909 and the 1935.
 
So far we've only seen "Short Rifles". :p

Here's a M71/84 and a couple of Swedish M96's for comparison. They aren't lined up perfectly (you need to line up the receivers not the buttstocks anyways) - the M71/84 has a barrel 2" longer than the M96. The middle one is a 1905 Carl Gustaf, and the bottom one is a 1943 Husqvarna M96 FSR rifle.

The beautiful rug is in my basement "Man Cave" and is for sale. I can send pics of my feet upon request. ;)

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Claven2 said:
Looks like a brazilian 1935 bayou, not an M1908 bayo.
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Should you wish to sell that bayonet, there are numerous people looking for the bayonet that matches their M1935 Mauser (unlikely, but possible), and willing to pay.
 
Here you go.

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Argentine 91 (all matching)

Peruvian 91 (all matching)

Turkish M1903 (all matching, all original, non-refurb in 7.65 mm)

Turkish 1944 rework in 8 mm

Chilean 95 OVS 7mm (all matching)

Mexican M1910 7mm (all matching, which is unusual for Mexican mausers)

Persian 8mm (all matching)
 
Baeutiful! I've never seen a 7.65 turk in Canada in that kind of condition and that Persian is also lovely.

Your Peruvian 91 has a matching bolt? That's very unusual as the 1912 conversion did not serialize any parts. Normally only the receiver and bolt still bear serial numbers and generally the bolts were mis-matched. Don't think I've ever seen or heard of a 1912 conversion with a matching bolt.

Any chances on better pics of that 1903?
 
Nice rifles 4Bit. What's the date on the Mexican 1910? I've yet to see an example dated earlier than 1930.

I actually don't have that many long Mausers...

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ZAR M1896

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1916 Oberndorff Gewehr 98

Defining "Mauser" loosely, Mauser-Vergueiro M1904
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Claven2 said:
Baeutiful! I've never seen a 7.65 turk in Canada in that kind of condition and that Persian is also lovely.

Your Peruvian 91 has a matching bolt? That's very unusual as the 1912 conversion did not serialize any parts. Normally only the receiver and bolt still bear serial numbers and generally the bolts were mis-matched. Don't think I've ever seen or heard of a 1912 conversion with a matching bolt.

Any chances on better pics of that 1903?
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You Sir, are correct, just looked at the Peruvian rather than rely on memory, m/m bolt and very faint number on bottom of mag. Forgive me, I am getting old and have waaaay too many milsurps !!! :D:D My daughters have no interest in them, will have to turn them all into the RCMP for destruction some day I suppose....

Pics of M1903. It is incredible to see an "original Turk", the finish rivals the Brazilian 1908/1935s we see here in Canada. You can make out the amazing iridescent blue that was applied originally to rear sight slide and charger guide/ejector housing in the top pic. This one is really a mystery how it avoided the endless Turk overhauls or conversion to 8mm. It appears "unissued" (I'm using that term to bug you !!!!). One clue is that it has a small lead seal wired to the rear sling loop. You can see it in the 2nd and 3rd pics. The closest translation I have found is "Police Armoury".

Agreed. 7.65 Turks are rare. I also have an M1890 Turk in 7.65, that has been converted to a carbine (so I dare not show it on the Long Mauser thread !!!) Most of the 1890 carbine conversions were done by the Yugoslavs and converted to 8mm, I believe the designation is M90T. Based on markings, I believe mine was war reparation to Greece and converted to a carbine, but not rechambered, by them.

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4b1t said:
You Sir, are correct, just looked at the Peruvian rather than rely on memory, m/m bolt and very faint number on bottom of mag.

Pics of M1903. It is incredible to see an "original Turk", the finish rivals the Brazilian 1908/1935s we see here in Canada. You can make out the amazing iridescent blue that was applied originally to rear sight slide and charger guide/ejector housing in the top pic. This one is really a mystery how it avoided the endless Turk overhauls or conversion to 8mm. It appears "unissued" (I'm using that term to bug you !!!!). One clue is that it has a small lead seal wired to the rear sling loop. You can see it in the 2nd and 3rd pics. The closest translation I have found is "Police Armoury".

Agreed. 7.65 Turks are rare. I also have an M1890 Turk in 7.65, that has been converted to a carbine (so I dare not show it on the Long Mauser thread !!!) Most of the 1890 carbine conversions were done by the Yugoslavs and converted to 8mm, I believe the designation is M90T. Based on markings, I believe mine was war reparation to Greece and converted to a carbine, but not rechambered, by them.
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Well, if you ever decide to sell that Turk 1903, you know who to call! :)

The M38 you show might not be a refurb, by the way. BRNO sold the Turks the old Spandau machinery they have been using to make 98/22 Mausers in the late 1930's and helped them set it up in the (then) new Kirikale arsenal outside of Ankara. The Kirikale-marked receivers are essentially new turk-made 98/22 receivers. These became the de-facto standard arm of the Turkish regular army and were issued to a LOT of recruits for training right up until the 1980's, which is why so many of them look worn-out and well-used. They are actually not a conversion of overhaul of anything.

Now one thing that is odd and leads people to think the Kirikale M38's are put-together is that to save money, the Turks took shot-out M1903 barrels in 7.65 off their 1903's in the early 1930's (the 1903's got new 8mm barrels) an used the Czech machinery to re-rifle them in 8x57JS to get a second life out of them on the M38 Mausers. That is why most M38 barrels have a M1903 serial number over the chamber under the handguard (!).

Turkish Mausers are a whole weird and wonderful world of study that are oft unappreciated by collectors because they were "cheap and junky" when CAI sold them for $20 a piece in the 90's. In fairness, most of the 1903's and 38's were rode really hard and put away wet. Sometimes the 1890/38 and 1893/38 conversions are in decent shape though as they were mostly just stored.
 
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