lets see your thick bush guns!
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Some really nice guns in this thread.
I'm new to posting here (joined a couple of years ago) but thought I could add a couple of pictures. The first is my Marlin 30AS in .30-30. The gun above it and in the second pic below is a Marlin (Remlin) 1895G that I bought last year. I had the itch for a big-bore that needed to be scratched. It hasn't shot anything but paper yet but it's only had one season in the bush.
I'm new to posting here (joined a couple of years ago) but thought I could add a couple of pictures. The first is my Marlin 30AS in .30-30. The gun above it and in the second pic below is a Marlin (Remlin) 1895G that I bought last year. I had the itch for a big-bore that needed to be scratched. It hasn't shot anything but paper yet but it's only had one season in the bush.
What stovepipes?
This is a win 92 not a 94 action.
Ever see the youtube with potter from midway usa cycling that win 92 with about 3 cartridges in the air with 1 finger?
My rossi 92/44 is that smooth.
Your 92 may stovepipe.
Mine doesn't.
My idea of an ideal brush defence gun for bear is my brothers tuned up 16" barrel rossi 92 in 454 casull.
Stovepipes come from a gun that isn't tuned properly and bad technique (short stroking).
Stovepipe indeed.
In the CAS circles they apparently have a tendency to jam when cycled very rapidly. Don't know how much truth there is to that, but it is pretty common to hear.
We lived in alaska for a while in the ketchikan area and then in juneau.
The moose, especially the cows with calves would be more likely to take your head off than a grizz.
Moose can be very unpredictable and dangerous.
That slicked 16" bbl stainless rossi 92 in 454 casull pushing those 335 grain hardcast bullets my brother casts himself would drop any animal in north america and it is very dependable.
Can't think of a better defence combo than that rifle with a ruger super redhawk revolver firing the same ammo.
Before condemning the 92 as an unsuitable brush defence rifle the person needs to examine 1) poor firearm tuning and maintenance and 2) poor shooting techniques (operator error) and 3) poor ammo match for firearm operation and intended use of the gun.
See so many short stroking leverguns and then blaming the gun.
Learn to properly tune a 92 an match it with the proper ammo and then practise your shooting technique.
What stovepipes?
This is a win 92 not a 94 action.
Ever see the youtube with potter from midway usa cycling that win 92 with about 3 cartridges in the air with 1 finger?
My rossi 92/44 is that smooth.
Your 92 may stovepipe.
Mine doesn't.
My idea of an ideal brush defence gun for bear is my brothers tuned up 16" barrel rossi 92 in 454 casull.
Stovepipes come from a gun that isn't tuned properly and bad technique (short stroking).
Stovepipe indeed.
I only own the rifle and 4.25" barreled SRH now.
20" barreled LSI Puma M92 in 454 Casull and yes I also shot 45 Colt out of it
4.25" & 7.5" Ruger Super Redhawks in 454 Casull and yes I also shot a lot of 45 Colts in these as well.
5.5" Con serial #ed Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt
You gotta get a guns butt plate against your own shoulder before you can properly assess it.
Lots of parroted anecdotal stuff floating around gun forums that is pure bs.
A stainless rossi 92/454 casull that is properly tuned and maintained combined with the appropriate ammo in the hands of a shooter who has bothered to learn to shoot it correctly is the best bear defence gun bar none that I've ever seen.
Tough, light, dependable, durable, fast pointing and lethal within 100 yards.
In my M92 pictured above I load/shoot from light Cowboy action 200gr - top velocity 345gr 45 Colt loads and when I want real power I load up my 240gr @ 2350fps - 405gr @ 1650fps 454 Casull loads.
Best all round power load are 360gr Cast Performance WLNGC's @ 1840fps.
I have never had a failure/jam with this action it has reliably feed and ejected everything I have ever fed it.
Best all round power load are 360gr Cast Performance WLNGC's @ 1840fps.
I have never had a failure/jam with this action it has reliably feed and ejected everything I have ever fed it.
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That might be ok for you, but for the bears where I hunt something more powerful..... much more powerful Thank-you..
You know what bears need. More pictures of short bush guns.
No bear whether brown, black or white I ever saw is going to stand up after being hit with those loads and you're carrying a 6 pound compact rifle not a 9 pound hunk of unweildy steel that handles like a pig on a shovel.
^I'm sure Kevin has owned guns like lightweight 350 RM and the aforementioned .338's and 375 H&H's. And we all know the man loves the .458 WM.
The 454 casull may be a damn good "30/30" on roids, or lightweight 45/70 but it will never unleash a can of whoop ass like med or big bore magnum, anyone who disagrees is a communist.
Not that I am here to defend Kevan, known detractor of the .338 WM, which is the greatest caliber ever and every bullet is guided to unleash total hell on any game animal by the spirit of Elmer Keith himself. I am also a big fan of the Rossi gun. I think I even said in this thread that the 16 inch stainless model would be "perfection".
"Coastal Mountains" can have a varying amount of rain. Look up the mm's per year in places like Rupert and Uquelet. I thought moving to Vancouver from Saanich Peninsula was a lot of rain, then I went further north. Holy chit.
This was such a cool thread, and now it is about bear defence, this is why we can't have nice things people.
The 454 casull may be a damn good "30/30" on roids, or lightweight 45/70 but it will never unleash a can of whoop ass like med or big bore magnum, anyone who disagrees is a communist.
Not that I am here to defend Kevan, known detractor of the .338 WM, which is the greatest caliber ever and every bullet is guided to unleash total hell on any game animal by the spirit of Elmer Keith himself. I am also a big fan of the Rossi gun. I think I even said in this thread that the 16 inch stainless model would be "perfection".
"Coastal Mountains" can have a varying amount of rain. Look up the mm's per year in places like Rupert and Uquelet. I thought moving to Vancouver from Saanich Peninsula was a lot of rain, then I went further north. Holy chit.
This was such a cool thread, and now it is about bear defence, this is why we can't have nice things people.
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Not focused on you camp Cook, always a pleasure to see your collection.
Your posts always make me want a Katahdin Carbine
Edit: Not short, but it will kill any marauding bear intent on eating human flesh and I hunted in thick brush in the Rockies with it. For me brush rifle= iron sights
Your posts always make me want a Katahdin Carbine
Edit: Not short, but it will kill any marauding bear intent on eating human flesh and I hunted in thick brush in the Rockies with it. For me brush rifle= iron sights
We are all entitled to our opinions and I respect yours.
Having said that I do not know how many bears you have had to face down...if any, but I can certainly tell you one one thing and that is when you are within 35 - 40 yards facing a fair sized boar Grizzly as I have done the 8 lb. 458 that I held seemed very small as did the 600 gr. Barnes load in the chamber that did the job.
For what it's worth you can carry your 6 lb. toys, I have several too, but when the chips are down I'll take the heavier rifle.... And no, it's not unwieldy at all, none of mine fIt that description.... Thank-you...
