lets see your thick bush guns!

Superbrad said:
And my reading of your posts and accompanying video told me you have a bear defence obsession and are more than willing to off a bear for absolutely no reason at all...... Your comment after you shot a 4 inch group at 50 yards with your lever action after a pause, breathe, I need to do the best I can because this on video of "I won't carry spray" says it all...... And your claim of killing several bears with your revolver is ridiculous..... And my comment on avoidance stands.....

If your claims are true, you are the biggest defence related bear slayer in Canada and my hat is off to you..... But since you took the time to shoot a video of yourself on YouTube, at a non moving target at 50 yards that already had a hole in it and declared that your group under no stress meant that spray was inadequate, I will leave it up to all to judge.....

Surely since you have video handy, you have pics of all of the Bears you took with your revolver?.... And surely, since you like to post here, you have stories of the charges of all of the bear charges you dispatched with your revolver, and of course your rifles no?
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torontogungal said:
I don't mean to be offensive but that david suzuki liberal stuff rolls off me like water off a duck.
In the area of alaska we lived in if the bear was after my food source he's threatening my life and down he goes.
Once they sniff a food source out they'll be back and back and back.
Put him down the first time and he won't be back.
I still have his fur mounted on my bedroom wall.
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Fair enough if you live like the "Alaskan bush people".... And no, I don't believe in that crap..... Lol.....Inhave been to Alaska and am envious as I would love to live there.....

The point I was making is that shooting a bear over a grub pile is far different from defending a charge.....

One situation has you putting a hole in a critter unaware of your presence.... The other had you protecting yourself against a critter that knows you are there....
 
Superbrad said:
Based on this post, you seem more than willing to shoot a bear that is not an imminent threat to your person...... You are in their territory, they arent in yours......
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Where do you get that we don't have a place in the bush? Human or bear we all have the ability and right to the bush. As for the willingness to shoot problem animals .....good
 
Well Brad for seven years ending 7 years ago I worked solo as a self employed free miner in the most remote areas of BC and Alberta but mostly BC these areas that I worked were not frequented by hunters even I was living out of spike camps for 4 - 5 days at a time before I headed back to my base camp to drop off samples and resupply my food stocks.

Weeks would go by without seeing anyone else I did this an average of 5 - 8 months a year as you probably are not aware BC has appr 200,000 black bears over 1/2 of Canada's black bear population and over 20,000 grizzlies.

I have to ask after you have scared a black bear out of your remote camp 3 - 6 times and you wake up in the middle of the night to hear something outside of your tent when you open the fly there lit up by your flashlight is that same black bear coming right at you are you tough enough to scare it away again or do you do like I would and put the red dot of your laser a little high left between its eyes to adjust for the low right offset of the laser and squeeze the trigger.

Its amazing to me how bear clueless some people are
 
smash said:
Where do you get that we don't have a place in the bush? Human or bear we all have the ability and right to the bush. As for the willingness to shoot problem animals .....good
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I agree..... But if we are to be "part of nature", then that involves tolerance of other species and their instinct to do what they do.... We should tolerate that and not just off every animal that does what comes naturally because we want our meat, grub pile etc.....

Understand nature and take appropriate steps to protect your assets..... That is what nature does...... Nature does not shoot everything that poses a minor threat.....
 
Camp Cook said:
Well Brad for seven years ending 7 years ago I worked solo as a self employed free miner in the most remote areas of BC and Alberta but mostly BC these areas that I worked were not frequented by hunters even I was living out of spike camps for 4 - 5 days at a time before I headed back to my base camp to drop off samples and resupply my food stocks.

Weeks would go by without seeing anyone else I did this an average of 5 - 8 months a year as you probably are not aware BC has appr 200,000 black bears over 1/2 of Canada's black bear population and over 20,000 grizzlies.

I have to ask after you have scared a black bear out of your remote camp 3 - 6 times and you wake up in the middle of the night to hear something outside of your tent when you open the fly there lit up by your flashlight is that same black bear coming right at you are you tough enough to scare it away again or do you do like I would and put the red dot of your laser a little high left between its eyes to adjust for the low right offset of the laser and squeeze the trigger.

Its amazing to me how bear clueless some people are
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And I have to ask why someone that talks of hundreds of bear encounters and talks of atc and revolver carry etc, had nothing but a YouTube video of him shooting a 4 inch group with a lever at 50 yards and nothing more.... You certainly took the time to make the video.....you have nothing else, no stories, no pics, nothing...... Yet you post a video of yourself taking a huge sigh of relief and prepping yourself for your fake bear charge that never actually movesnand shooting a 4 plus inch group and proceed to write off spray at the end....
 
Camp Cook said:
So of the hundreds of bears I encountered/avoided each year to the couple I had to kill each year you figure I should learn better bear avoidance techniques wow you guys are really grasping.

Now that I do not have my ATC for handgun carry my bush carry guns are more than likely my single shot 14" barreled T/C Contender carbines in 375JDJ & 45-70.

Why do I carry single shots cause bears die easily and I can actually hit what I'm aiming at:rolleyes:...
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Camp Cook said:
Your good humour brad cluel*ss but good humour... :rolleyes:
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Prove me wrong.... Until you do.... You are nothing but a poser..... You have yet to post anything but you shooting at a target with a cheap marlin lever and declaring bear spray as inadequate...... In case you didn't notice, I am not the only one laughing at your claims..... You should quit while you are ahead......
 
Superbrad said:
Fair enough if you live like the "Alaskan bush people".... And no, I don't believe in that crap..... Lol.....Inhave been to Alaska and am envious as I would love to live there.....

The point I was making is that shooting a bear over a grub pile is far different from defending a charge.....

One situation has you putting a hole in a critter unaware of your presence.... The other had you protecting yourself against a critter that knows you are there....
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As I told you if the bear is aware of a food source like a grub cache it will be back.
At the time I shot it I had the advantage of me becoming aware of it before it became aware of my presence.
If I had forgone the opportunity to dispatch the bear which had the location of our cache locked in its brain it would definitely have returned perhaps under circumstances where IT had the advantage of first sight.
When you have lived in alaska around bears for a while you develop bear sense.
My bear sense told me I had better drop that bear then and there and I did.
I am still alive and the bears fur is on my wall.
 
torontogungal said:
As I told you if the bear is aware of a food source like a grub cache it will be back.
At the time I shot it I had the advantage of me becoming aware of it before it became aware of my presence.
If I had forgone the opportunity to dispatch the bear which had the location of our cache locked in its brain it would definitely have returned perhaps under circumstances where IT had the advantage of first sight.
When you have lived in alaska around bears for a while you develop bear sense.
My bear sense told me I had better drop that bear then and there and I did.
I am still alive and the bears fur is on my wall.
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So why didn't you protect your cache better?.... You lived in bear country, yet you took no precautions...... Any basic natural animal takes precautions to protect their stash ..... Right down to the lowly squirrel or blue jay...... Don't use the excuse of "I am part of nature" then break out the gun... If your grub stash was that important to you, you should have put it in a more secure place.. That is what natural critters do with their stash...
 
Superbrad said:
So why didn't you protect your cache better?.... You lived in bear country, yet you took no precautions...... Any basic natural animal takes precautions to protect their stash ..... Right down to the lowly squirrel or blue jay......Don't use the excuse of "I am part of nature" then break out the gun... If your grub stash was that important to you, you should have put it in a more secure place.. That is what natural critters do with their stash...
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If you got the impression I was trying to justify my actions to you then you are mistaken.
 
Superbrad said:
I agree..... But if we are to be "part of nature", then that involves tolerance of other species and their instinct to do what they do.... We should tolerate that and not just off every animal that does what comes naturally because we want our meat, grub pile etc.....

Understand nature and take appropriate steps to protect your assets..... That is what nature does...... Nature does not shoot everything that poses a minor threat.....
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A threat is a threat, major / minor is irrelevant. Wolves, bears, whatever... everyone has a line that is their comfort zone..... You need to spend a little more time in the high country before you make a judgement based on your Ontario knowledge
 
Superbrad said:
So why didn't you protect your cache better?.... You lived in bear country, yet you took no precautions...... Any basic natural animal takes precautions to protect their stash ..... Right down to the lowly squirrel or blue jay...... Don't use the excuse of "I am part of nature" then break out the gun... If your grub stash was that important to you, you should have put it in a more secure place.. That is what natural critters do with their stash...
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Sounds to me like she did protect her cache....
 
torontogungal said:
If you got the impression I was trying to justify my actions to you then you are mistaken.
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Nope..... Got the impression that you lived in Alaska and had to shoot a bear because you didn't protect your stash properly..... Also got the impression that you think a pistol cal lever is good bear defence gun......

FYI, you didn't try to justify it to me, you tried to justify it to everyone... Two things are obvious..... You love your lever gun..... And you love your brother...... I will leave it at that.... Both admirable traits......
 
*Sigh*.........

Again, this was a great thread.......

Here's a Marlin I had in 35 Whelen, sold it before it saw much "Bush Time"



 
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