lets talk 1911

[jjackman]

1911 does have a good trigger, but I don't get the ergonomics thing. It's not bad, but slide release is hard to reach with out changing the grip. Also I never been a fan of the grip safety.

I have a 1911 myself; it's a great looking gun. But in some ways it's kinda outdated; takedown is PITA, some have reliability issues, it's pretty heavy etc.

You may ned to work on your grip or technique if you're having problems reaching the slide release. A right handed shooter jams in a fresh mag with the left hand then racks the slide and it's good to go. Your other option is to load a mag and then press the slide release with the thumb of your left hand (not your right hand). If you're using a proper grip, with your right thumb on the safety and your left hand forward and wrapped around your right hand under the trigger guard (not supporting the bottom of the gun under the mag well like in the movies) your left thumb should reach the slide release without problem and then sit along the rail during shooting.

If you have really big or small hands you may have problems, but the single stack and double stack designs appeal to a lot of different shooters. I doubt that many owners of an STI or a high quality modern manufacturer would agree that it's outdated. Complicated triggers designs don't always make pistols more reliable or perform better.

 

[ian_in_vic]

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I asked because I have seen video where fella was practicing pulling pistol out from under belt (inside pants concealed carry) with two hands. Non-trigger hand was chambering the round with reverse grip, all the while lifting gun to eye level. All in one fluid motion. Seems ok and fast... if you have two hands.

That's known as the Israeli technique, as much as I try not to sound like Jeff Cooper, I've always figured it would be Okay for small calibre pistols hidden in odd places, but the answer to a question no one asked with the 1911. While the high speed low drag Israeli guy is doing the ninjutsu thing, the 1911 operator simply drops the safety and presses the trigger.

 

[IM_Lugger]

grip saftey can be gotten rid of (novak makes a sweet one piece back strap)

I just checked Novak site and they don't have those for sale, just a short blurb and a pic

 

[870P]

After nearly 100 years, M1911 still has better trigger and ergonomics than any other semi-auto pistol. That's the reason why it is still popular.

The trigger and thumb safety are brilliant, but the grip isn't all that great compared to any number of other pistols.

 

[Boomer]

I just checked Novak site and they don't have those for sale, just a short blurb and a pic

If the gun is to be used as intended I think removing the grip safety is a mistake. As a target pistol on the shooting range it doesn't make much difference. The slide release can be easily engaged with the support hand, which is already there from driving the fresh magazine home. The gun is less left hand friendly in that the slide release is in the wrong place, but that can be disregarded and the slide tugged back, again with the support hand, and released.

 

[t-star]

if you grip the 1911 properly, the web of your hand pushes the grip safety into the frame anyway- that's what we were taught- when i went through basic we did 2 days of drills on the 1911- then practiced for a 1/2 hour once a week, regardless of rank-

 

[t-star]

I hear some US soldiers deployed to Iraq have 1911A1s with 8 rounds magazine.

the 8 round"kit" has been around forever, ( follower and spring of different design) but now its as cheap or cheaper just to buy an 8 round mag- in nam we had 12's in the gun, with 2 7 round backups- you only carried 11 in the 12 cause it would jam, and i've seen a 30 round mag- long as heck, and single stack- a company in ny state used make them

 

[Rotek]

IIRC and correct me if I'm wrong(I'm sure some one will)The Isreali Tech as Ian In Vic pointed out is a tech that the Israelis used when one of the issued weapons was the Barreta 71 .The tumb safety safety on these were small and difficult to quickly operate and not something I would rely on. With any properly function 1911 the condition One/cocked and locked is the way to carry the 1911.

 

[dannyair]

Get one!