Lets talk CWD
- Thread starter flyingdutchman86
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death-junky
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Moose Jaw SK
The problem with the primate test that they don't talk about is they pretty much forced it to happen. They litterally injected the disease into the brains of the animals and fed them a diet 100% consisting of tainted meat... When ever they tryed to just feed it to them it never worked...
STILL THOUGH I throw away any deer that tests positive.
STILL THOUGH I throw away any deer that tests positive.
These indestructible prions will no doubt reach everywhere.
Every butcher that ever cuts wild meat only needs one infected animal to contaminate their equipment forever.
Culling an area would also be a fool's errand. Deer communicate via body fluid. They rub their glands on over hanging branches that all deer in the area lick or at least smell. They urinate over their glands to create scrapes. What are F&G going to do? Monitor every scrape in an area for 6-10 years? Kill every deer that enters an area for 10 years?
If these things are truly indestructible, what about other pieces of gear that your friends and family have. Blood in the back of a pickup, borrow a friend's knife, maybe on the stock of his rifle as well, fluids on his clothing from field dressing? Thinking of field dressing, how many have their friends and family help with that chore, maybe with contaminated knives or saws?
How many people walk by a dead head with a decent rack? It can be sun bleached bone dry and still have prions.
Got a dog? Dogs sniff scrapes and even roll in them, pick up bones when they find them and many think those tasty little pellets on the forest floor are like a bonus smorgasbord.
What about the big buck nights that occur in small town everywhere? Bunch of guys passing around potentially infected skull plates.
I am certainly not going to lose any sleep over it. I enjoy the meat but live for the thrill of taking a nice buck. The head is boiled for a Euro mount or off to the taxidermist if it is a special one. There is no amount of care that could have me avoid contact so why bother.
People have to come to the realization that nature is boss. Like mentioned already, without a healthy predator population the weak and sick are not killed quickly and disease spreads. If not CWD some other disease like tuberculosis would show up like in other areas. There is a healthy population of wolves, bears and cats in the areas I hunt and I like it that way. The animals are very spooky but every animal I see looks strong and healthy. I am much more likely to be mauled to death than to find a weak animal and 1000 times more likely to be killed on the drive there than from prions.
If we start losing sleep over what is completely out of our control we will end up hiding in our basements, isolating from family, wearing ineffective medical garb and taking experimental drugs.....
Every butcher that ever cuts wild meat only needs one infected animal to contaminate their equipment forever.
Culling an area would also be a fool's errand. Deer communicate via body fluid. They rub their glands on over hanging branches that all deer in the area lick or at least smell. They urinate over their glands to create scrapes. What are F&G going to do? Monitor every scrape in an area for 6-10 years? Kill every deer that enters an area for 10 years?
If these things are truly indestructible, what about other pieces of gear that your friends and family have. Blood in the back of a pickup, borrow a friend's knife, maybe on the stock of his rifle as well, fluids on his clothing from field dressing? Thinking of field dressing, how many have their friends and family help with that chore, maybe with contaminated knives or saws?
How many people walk by a dead head with a decent rack? It can be sun bleached bone dry and still have prions.
Got a dog? Dogs sniff scrapes and even roll in them, pick up bones when they find them and many think those tasty little pellets on the forest floor are like a bonus smorgasbord.
What about the big buck nights that occur in small town everywhere? Bunch of guys passing around potentially infected skull plates.
I am certainly not going to lose any sleep over it. I enjoy the meat but live for the thrill of taking a nice buck. The head is boiled for a Euro mount or off to the taxidermist if it is a special one. There is no amount of care that could have me avoid contact so why bother.
People have to come to the realization that nature is boss. Like mentioned already, without a healthy predator population the weak and sick are not killed quickly and disease spreads. If not CWD some other disease like tuberculosis would show up like in other areas. There is a healthy population of wolves, bears and cats in the areas I hunt and I like it that way. The animals are very spooky but every animal I see looks strong and healthy. I am much more likely to be mauled to death than to find a weak animal and 1000 times more likely to be killed on the drive there than from prions.
If we start losing sleep over what is completely out of our control we will end up hiding in our basements, isolating from family, wearing ineffective medical garb and taking experimental drugs.....
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- Location
- Western Manitoba
MK2750 - I think that I mostly agree with what you posted. I am concerned with posters and others who claim that "cooking the meat properly" or "cleaning the tools" will keep you okay - it won't make a difference that matters, but might make some feel better. I knew nothing about what is "prion" when CWD was announced in Western Sask. - is NOT a LIVING thing, so can not kill it - like saying you are going to "kill" a piece of gravel in your driveway. But, although is not a living thing, it has the freaky capacity to make living cells change the way they function. I do not know, but perhaps concrete kiln temperatures might melt it - normal wood fires do not get hot enough to do that. So if you wipe down yourself or your tools - what do you plan to do with the rags or paper towel? Makes the "farce" of the government "culls" - does absolutely nothing about the prions that are already present and viable in the ecosystem - just makes it less likely for urban taxpayer to actually see a sick deer, caribou, elk or moose - because they are not seeing any at all!
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- Location
- Western Manitoba
But, but, but - "gov't" has not announced that you are at risk of ingesting the CWD prion by eating bread made from the flour of that wheat!!! Just 'cause another deer / elk / moose / caribou can get CWD from eating that wheat or wheat plant, does not mean that you can - can you??!! But, if you "cull" all the cervids, won't be any wheat getting contaminated! (except for what that plant picks up from the soil, since the prion is likely already there)
And for any "naysayers" - exactly what part of the wheat-to-flour processing cycle will make the prion to be inert?
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Technically your right, but its just not really how things work. Its kind of like inhaling a fiber of asbestos (which we all have done) and inhaling thousands of fibers if you were a worker in an asbestos factory. Could everyone get asbestosis (sure), but the risk is minimal for the normal person compared to the worker. So go eat a deer that is CWD positive and get a large exposure to prions, or eat some bread and get a small exposure.
By all means do what you see fit and within your comfort level, but don't dumb it down so much that you believe that every potential exposure is equivalent. Its just not that simple. If it was we all would have died from lung cancer from second hand smoke by now.
Personally CWD exposure doesn't worry me, but I sure wouldn't feed CWD positive deer to anyone else without telling them and sure wouldn't to small kids who might live long enough to see an impact.
migrant hunter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Alberta
Don't eat the head or spine and you'll be fine. I'll eat mule deer when you're all eating cricket flour.
or not.
