Letter Writing Campaigns and The CCFR

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All the letters I have written and posted, all the support of organizations and candidates I have endorsed and donated to and voting I have done have equaled Sweet Nothing. There is no recourse for the individual aginst the Federal Government as the VAST majority of us have not the time or money to spend on it, whether we have jobs to go to everyday or are fighting to stay above water during this pandemic. The firearms community and owners in Canada have lost the fight. I feel sick to my stomach that my enjoyment from shooting the AR, doing load developments and having the opportunity to stay very familiar with the manual of arms that I have been used to since 1990, is gone. No final range trip to expend all rounds and enjoy the sport of target shooting a modern semi-automatic centerfire rifle. Sad day, sad day indeed.
 
L86 All Terrain said:
Thank you for the efforts, they are truely appreciated by all of us. Not trying to be rude or ignorant but they are going to wipe their ass with those letters, we all know it now. They wont be opened or read. Mass demonstration is the only thing that will get them to re-think at this point. Anything else is wasted energy and time at this point in the plan. Its do or die for the firearms community now, we cant fight this battle behind a pen at home. They need to see 10,000 owners standing ground TOGETHER and letting them know this is unjust.
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" they are going to wipe their ass with those letters," while that may be true --truly hoping that they get covid from it!-- But what else is there to do but ,KEEP WRITING and FIGHTING !!!! IMO they just woke a sleeping giant!
 
apexanimal said:
I really wish these gun orgs would try and organize some mass rallies of civil disobedience. Did those Indians get their settlement because they wrote letters? No they blocked traffic and ground the economy to a halt unopposed.

You may not like it but its the precedent that has been set. if all you do is write letters and comply exactly as they want you to, why on earth would they change their minds? Theyve already got you doing exactly what they want, which is complying and writing letters. Actual rallies, and this may sound crazy but maybe even WITH the rifles that were banned, would attract attention and show we are serious and not to be pushed around. If 1000 people showed up with ARs and other rifles, you think the 20 cops present would honestly try to arrest that group...no theyd back off, let you protest, and youd set another precedent and gain a foothold.

Its just reality, the letters didnt do anything to stop this, the largest petition in Canadian history was ignored, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...
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You have all valid points other than showing up with firearms. As for the orgs organizing rallies I would not depend on it there busy collecting donations and telling us to write more useless letters. Myself and others are trying to organize a Canada wide protest there is a post about it in general firearms section as well as the c71 actions form go check it out
 
apexanimal said:
I really wish these gun orgs would try and organize some mass rallies of civil disobedience. Did those Indians get their settlement because they wrote letters? No they blocked traffic and ground the economy to a halt unopposed.

You may not like it but its the precedent that has been set. if all you do is write letters and comply exactly as they want you to, why on earth would they change their minds? Theyve already got you doing exactly what they want, which is complying and writing letters. Actual rallies, and this may sound crazy but maybe even WITH the rifles that were banned, would attract attention and show we are serious and not to be pushed around. If 1000 people showed up with ARs and other rifles, you think the 20 cops present would honestly try to arrest that group...no theyd back off, let you protest, and youd set another precedent and gain a foothold.

Its just reality, the letters didnt do anything to stop this, the largest petition in Canadian history was ignored, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...
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Protesting is good, but without any guns. The optics of our side holding the banned items will not help our cause at all. We aren’t trying to make everyone pro gun. That’s too much to realistically ask. We just want the public to see that we are a law abiding group. A group that is being legitimately punished for the actions of an evil man. A man who abused the women in his life and who was not licensed, and used illegal means to get his guns. We need to repeat these truths like the other side repeats their lies.
 
CALICANUCK said:
Protesting is good, but without any guns. The optics of our side holding the banned items will not help our cause at all. We aren’t trying to make everyone pro gun. That’s too much to realistically ask. We just want the public to see that we are a law abiding group. A group that is being legitimately punished for the actions of an evil man. A man who abused the women in his life and who was not licensed, and used illegal means to get his guns. We need to repeat these truths like the other side repeats their lies.
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I am with you on that.
 
A ban on these gun will require legislation. The order in council is a interim ban on their use and sale. I agree we need to address this issue but we should show a clear understanding of the process going forward when writing letters and contacting or Liberal MPs. Yes I said Liberal MPs. contacting your local Conservative MP is a waste of time as has just been shown. Write Liberal MPs and show them we are rational, calm, reliable, informed and fully understand what just happened because they forced Justin’s hand and made him make this an election promise issue.
 
Doug The Canuck said:
Well, that didn't do much good did it?

Writing to the Liberals is like peeing into the wind. It makes you feel good, but your feet get all wet.

The only way to deal with this is to defeat the Liberals. They are ideologically committed to a gun ban, and no amount of convincing will do any good. They must be replaced.

Gun owners have to get behind the CPC and get them elected. During that process, they must let the CPC know that the reason for the support is because you are a firearms owner. Firearms laws must become a central pillar in the CPC's platform.

They need money, boots on the ground and votes. The sooner we realize that, the better.

And don't waste your vote on Mad Max. He has no power at all. Wasted vote.
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I agree with much of this. Which is why my strategy is to not only let the Liberal minority government know that they've crossed the line, but also let the people vying for CPC leadership that anything less than repealing the order is unnacceptable. Today, I emailed Bill Blair, JT, my local MP, all CPC leadership candidates, all the leaders of the opposition and the local CBC newsroom that their actions to subvert democracy will not be unchallenged. I told them to expect more letters and phone calls from me to remind them of what democracy is and that I had no choice but to call for the opposition to move for a vote of non-confidence. I agree that along with these letters, we need to organize and demonstrate to let them know that they've stirred up a hornets nest.

Stay strong and free people!
 
Sending letters to JT, Bill Blair, my MP, the CPC leadership candidates as well as all federal opposition leaders.

Signed and delivered to post office tomorrow morning.
 
No more letters. No more petitions. They don't care. They view us with disdain and always have.

Lawsuits.

You know that $2000 you were saving to spend on your next build? Set it aside to help the organizations/individuals/retailers who will fight this in court.
 
ssmith said:
I would put a large sum towards legal fees also!
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It doesn't even have to be a huge amount. If every mook on this board chipped in $500 to a formal. organized legal challenge that's a lot of firepower.

Shooting is an expensive sport/hobby. There are very few people on this board who legitimately couldn't put in a few hundred bucks (or more). You just have to decide how important this battle is for you and for everyone you know. I'm selling some gun-related assets (and other stuff) right now, and I'm earmarking a portion of sales to go to the orgs. Anyone else can do the same.

Wait out. The CCFR, CSSA, and NFA have already published immediate responses. So have CPC members and many of the fine businesses who advertise here and elsewhere. Give them some time to formally organize and respond, and (hopefully) set differences aside to move as a united front. It's now or never. We have two years. "They" are going to hit us with a second wave. The usual cabal are already complaining that these measures didn't go far enough. Emboldened by what they consider a victory, they still want handguns and, yes, now they want hunting rifles. They want it all. I believe their extremism and greed will be their undoing. If there's one thing we know about the Canadian identity, it's that most Canadians love polite moderation and compromise. Extremism on either side of any issue never really goes over well.

Be patient. Let them fire their shots. Then we hit them back in court after court.

You're from High River. You more than anyone knows how this works....

But screw more letters and e-petitions. They only work when your opposition isn't ideologically rigid. Screw 'em. As one of those anti-gun doctors recently tweeted "...the time for civility is long passed...". How right he is.
 
Vyach said:
Done, 3 letters in the mail. Donated to CSSA, CCFR. Going to join CPC before leader's election. What's next?
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I would say buy a Capri Insurance firearms policy because it comes with free unlimited legal advice, and they are retaining counsel to help draft a plan of action. I know the other orgs have insurance policies but I look at this as another lobbyist.
 
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