Letters on killer griz

The mere fact that a bear is a bear makes it dangerous, period.
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Irrelevant. We don't destroy animals because they pose a potential threat. We destroy animals who have PROVEN to be a threat.

This is no different than we are with humans - anyone COULD be a rapist - but we only lock up those who actually ARE rapists.

When we take up the sport of hunting we expose ourselfs to a variety of dangerous situations, hunters who don't use binocs for one
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LOL - yes, well, there's a tounge-in-cheek argument for shooting them too if you ask me :D but joking aside, I agree. Going into the woods involves some risk.

But so does walking down a dark city street at night. That doesn't mean we shouldn't lock up any muggers who attack people.
This discussion came up around our breakfast table this morning. I asked my wife that if I was ever killed by a bear that she not go an a vendetta to "get" that bear.
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Vendetta?!?

Look - we kill a lot of things for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with 'vendetta'. When a fox threatens the chickens, we shoot the fox to end the threat - not to 'teach it a lesson' or because we have a 'blood feud' with it.

I'm not angry with the bear. Not in the slightest. I think it's too bad. But I'd still kill the bear, no question.

It's not anger - it's policy.

My wife stated that if I ever did anything like go into such a situation and did something that got me killed....she would kill me again
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ROFL - sounds like a good alberta gal to me :D Ya gotta love 'em :)
 
Foxer relates to the fact that people who kill or main other people should be punished in accordance to their crime. I couldn't agree more. But bears are not people and do not have the "processing" abilities that humans do as to what is right or wrong. Here, we do agree. But bears and predators are....well, predators. That is built into their defense system, their DNA. I dont' think that I can go on any further arguing against his point, he does build a good defense. Am I a tree hugger? perhaps I am, but as a hunter and outdoorsman, I have a healthy respect for our outdoors and the wildlife that occupies it. Yes, I hunt, but I am a conservationist at heart and I put our environment and it's wildlife first on my agenda. Bears and other predators are consistently endangered by man's encroachment on their environment, sorry but I'm on "their" side. :) What a sorry world we would live in without their presence, personally, I want not part of it. Later....;)
 
in reality you wont get the bear, tracks are snowed in and bear is gone, they tried this a few years ago after 2 elk hunters were attacked and killed while gutting there elk, the CO's tracked and killed a sow and a 2 year old cub, later to find out none of the bite marks matched either bear! so for that reason I am let it live if there is no way of 100% identifying it.
now 1 thing no one has brought up on this is that bears are individuals, they can have bad and good days and 1 may be a bit hot tempered Vs 1 that is dosile, the other problem is NO bears are that afraid of humans anymore, maybe in larger areas like around cities there are alot more people wondering into the forests but way up in the north it hasnt changed that drasticaly in the last 100 years, what has changed everywere is industry, logging/mining and oil have created bear habitat allowing them to flourish in numbers, as little as 6-7 years ago I can remember seeing a grizzly was a rarity, in the past 3-5 years if I dont see 2 or 3 a week I wasnt looking, when you put a high increase on there population you also get a higher stress rate for territory and dominance, causing more conflicts with people, and this is proven by James Gary Shelton.
people need to stop calling them a dumb savage beast and start relizing there alot more inteligent than anyone wants to give them credit for, there was a bioligist a few years back who video taped a grizzly grunting just like a cow moose to get a calf to answer in the spring and then killed it, I am not saying there human inteligent but there far from stupid, I have seen a shot bear lay down dead, only 30 minutes later as we walked up to it notice its eyes following us, I also know a guide who had this happen, he didnt make it the bear got him! in the end of all this what gets me wound is the anti hunters making this whole attack about HUNTING and HUNTERS, they could care less about the bear the closest they will ever come to seeing one is animal planet or the zoo, if it had been a backpacker or some guy getting a xmas tree they wouldnt have said squat! until you have actually lived around them , see them weekly, hunt them, work around them, you truly cant know them or have a non bias opinion on them.
 
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Boomer, gitrdun, and Foxer presented very intelligent arguments. I do not think any of the three could be moved from their point of view with further discussion. Of the three, I think that Foxer is the most black and white. I tend to see in shades of gray. If the bear is to be killed, I would prefer it to be by a hunter during a legal season.
 
Ok bones, I read your post and found it interesting, but still find it hard to see your point...what is it?

Ediot: Bones, please use punctuation, periods and commas in their appropriate places. Don't mean to sound like an elitist but it would temper a migraine.
 
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Bold Badger said:
Boomer, gitrdun, and Foxer presented very intelligent arguments. I do not think any of the three could be moved from their point of view with further discussion. Of the three, I think that Foxer is the most black and white. I tend to see in shades of gray. If the bear is to be killed, I would prefer it to be by a hunter during a legal season.
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I would never expect that I could move Foxer or Boomer from their arguments, that would be a sad day...that's what all good debates are all about, agree to dissagree :D
 
gitrdun, I never asked how to hunt a killer bear. I asked what efforts were being made. The reason I asked this seemingly stupid question is that a few on this very thread seemed to claim some inside knowlege. eg. hunter stumbling on to bear kill and bear claiming deer hunter had just shot. I read that they have collected DNA.
 
gitrdun said:
I dunno, how do yo hunt a killer bear....if it has shoe laces sticking outta of it's arse? :D
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During the summer camping season they jingle when they walk.


Called Sundre Fand W Saturday on an unrelated issue. The GWs here are still looking for the bear. If they don't get him they'll trap in the spring. They have the DNA, will match the bear and likely kill it.

If it was a startled bear that killed the hunter, I don't necessarily think it needs to be killed. If it came to the shots and/or ate the hunter after killing him, it does need to die IMO. That area is too busy with campers in the summer to allow a man killing bear to roam free.
 
Personally, I think that their limited financial resources would be better spent on looking for poachers. Hey, that's just me and I think that I've exhausted my breath on this topic, you all know how I feel. Still though, my condolences to his family and may he rest in peace....or hunt forever with his favourite dog buddy.
 
gitrdun said:
Personally, I think that their limited financial resources would be better spent on looking for poachers. Hey, that's just me and I think that I've exhausted my breath on this topic, you all know how I feel. Still though, my condolences to his family and may he rest in peace....or hunt forever with his favourite dog buddy.
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I agree. But this is a grizzly. Lots of press and pressure. They are expected to "do something".
 
perhaps I am, but as a hunter and outdoorsman, I have a healthy respect for our outdoors and the wildlife that occupies it. Yes, I hunt, but I am a conservationist at heart and I put our environment and it's wildlife first on my agenda.
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Well, i guess that starts to tread into the 'matter of opinion' side of things, where it's more about a guy's personal viewpoint. Personally - i don't see conservation and 'pruning' animals who're known killers to be at odds any more than i see harvesting game for food as against conservation. I think it's like a tree - cut off a few bad limbs and the whole is actually stronger for it. But I can see where you'd be concerned that it would become too 'easy' just to shoot bears 'because'.
 
comas have no place in my lifestyle nor does spelling GRD :)

my point was some folks (mostly antis) have it in there heads bears are dumb, there like a computer and can only do certain things there programmed to do, rather than the truth that bears can be methodical and solve alot of problems that these people will never see because the media has brain washed them into a 1 dimentional way of thinking.
Saying they have dna from the bear, great now how big is its territory? 10 miles 100 miles maybe 500 miles that bear could be in BC by now, we have graphs on 3 collared grizz here and 1 of them traveled from the yukon back down here in 1 summer thats about 500-600 miles, the COs will say what they have to to please the public and calm them but in reality they have to know that there is a slim chance of finding this exact bear
 
At least they published one response.:D

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/letters/story.html?id=4c400c5e-a1a5-4338-ae13-fc84e0ee14cb

Calgary Herald
Published: Thursday, December 06, 2007

Attack - Re: "Don't blame the bear," and "Not again," Letters, Dec. 3.

It was disturbing to read the letters defending the life of the grizzly that killed Don Peters. While offering strident arguments for the life of the bear, neither writer expressed any sense of sadness over the loss of human life. Increasingly, it seems our society is losing its empathy for its own species. Too many individuals are identifying more with animals than their fellow man. It is unfortunate that the bear may be killed. It is a tragedy that a man lost his life.

Scott MacDonald,

Sundre
 
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I read this from the Calgary sun today:

GRIZZLY THOUGHT

While I truly feel terrible for Don Peters' family and survivors, this to me is truly the circle of life as we have created it. ("Hunter went down fighting," Nov. 30.) It makes me sick and sad a beautiful animal could be put to death over this. It doesn't matter if the bear was sick or starving or scared -- leave him be! I bet this hunter was scared out of his wits and in a lot of pain and fear when he died. Upon how many animals did this one hunter inflict the same fear and pain over his years of hunting? The circle of life

Katherine Pederson




I poached some lines from other CGNers and sent this to the Calgary Sun:

My reply: :evil:

Regarding GRIZZLY THOUGHT letter by Katherine Pederson:

Miss Pederson is 100% right; nobody should be allowed outside of the city, or inside wilderness areas. Humans have no place there. If any human is reckless enough to go into the wild, that person certainly has no right to defend themself, ESPECIALLY with a legally owned firearm.

God forbid that anybody would legally hunt to put food on the table. Everybody knows hunters are barbaric animal murderers. You saw the movie Bambi didn’t you? It is much more humane to buy your meat from a grocery store. The slaughter houses are a much kinder way to "process" our food. I'm sure Katherine would agree, if you don't see the cow slaughtered, it's almost like it never happened.

The hunter should have stayed in his car on the side of the highway with the doors locked and the windows rolled up. EVERYBODY knows that's how wildlife should be viewed.


Much love,
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Nice job
 
smak_daddy said:
I read this from the Calgary sun today:

GRIZZLY THOUGHT

While I truly feel terrible for Don Peters' family and survivors, this to me is truly the circle of life as we have created it. ("Hunter went down fighting," Nov. 30.) It makes me sick and sad a beautiful animal could be put to death over this. It doesn't matter if the bear was sick or starving or scared -- leave him be! I bet this hunter was scared out of his wits and in a lot of pain and fear when he died. Upon how many animals did this one hunter inflict the same fear and pain over his years of hunting? The circle of life

Katherine Pederson




I poached some lines from other CGNers and sent this to the Calgary Sun:

My reply: :evil:

Regarding GRIZZLY THOUGHT letter by Katherine Pederson:

Miss Pederson is 100% right; nobody should be allowed outside of the city, or inside wilderness areas. Humans have no place there. If any human is reckless enough to go into the wild, that person certainly has no right to defend themself, ESPECIALLY with a legally owned firearm.

God forbid that anybody would legally hunt to put food on the table. Everybody knows hunters are barbaric animal murderers. You saw the movie Bambi didn’t you? It is much more humane to buy your meat from a grocery store. The slaughter houses are a much kinder way to "process" our food. I'm sure Katherine would agree, if you don't see the cow slaughtered, it's almost like it never happened.

The hunter should have stayed in his car on the side of the highway with the doors locked and the windows rolled up. EVERYBODY knows that's how wildlife should be viewed.


Much love,
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So were sitting in Smitty's this morning having breakfast. I open the Sunday sun to the comments section to find your letter in there. Good for you!

http://calsun.canoe.ca/Comment/Letters/2007/12/09/4715310-sun.html
 
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