HAHAHAHAHA Nailed it I think.
Running glass that tracks and holds zero is a game changer.
Leupold, Korth group Warranty Experience
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HAHAHAHAHA Nailed it I think.
Running glass that tracks and holds zero is a game changer.
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Well, the question is about Korth warranty not quality. Re-read boys.
No need to be a thread cop as this isn’t a dealer forum.
Didn’t notice you saying the same to the fan boys…. Just sayin’.
I see someone drank the coolaid. Your in fine company. Throwing rifles into ditches full of rocks isn’t really representative of the norm in 99.9 percent of sporting rifle usage. As for tracking, I have only used CDS, however I’ve not seen an issue with adjustment or return to zero yet. As for loss of zero? I have close to a dozen leupolds and for some bizzare reason have not encountered these massive issues. Funny that I don’t see them reported on here very often either. Granted any company can have a clunker from time to time. Really it never cropped up until a while back when a few guys originally on 24hr fire started their marketing campaign for tasco. Like most things a select group of believers suddenly begun to have all kinds of issues, and of course their “pards” did too! It’s all very transparent, and some people will believe anything. Anyway, coolaid is nice, enjoy and drink often!
Have you ever done a tracking test on any of them? A legitimate tracking test, dialing In between shots, up down, return to zero?
You might be surprised.
So you’ve NEVER checked a rifle before the season started and made an adjustment? NEVER checked a zero after a missed shot and found it needed a tweak? NEVER took a shot after dialing for distance at a rock where you “must have pulled that one, let me try again. SEE, that worked. Great glass.”
NEVER tapped your turret after making a zero adjustment, before firing a shot to see where it went?
NEVER had to use a target with easily viewable red and white lines, counted clicks, fired a shot, checked, moved some more? Fired again, adjusted again?
Better hang onto those Leupolds, they are extraordinary specimens of tracking and repeatability. OR, your abilities and/or rifle platform aren’t good enough to realize the difference.
The lightbulb moment for me was having a buddy spin elevation and windage dials on a GOOD scope mounted on a good rifle with good dope unknown amounts, firing one shot at 100m, measuring the difference via the reticle, making the adjustment, then making the next shot land on a 600 yard beer can.
Since switching out for good scopes, zeroing a rifle is at MOST, 2 shots. One to find POI relative to POA and making corrections, and one at 6/7/8/900 yards to check dope.
It was a tough transition going from glass that looked good on a rifle (a dozen plus 3.5-10’s that sit and gather dust on shelves now) to glass that WORKS, but it was a real eye opener.
I like leupolds warranty. I don’t like what Korth charges to change a reticle.
Like anything, you’ll eventually find a lemon. Some maybe on the scope. Mounting, and shooting could be too. But it’s easiest to blame gear then take responsibility.
Like anything, you’ll eventually find a lemon. Some maybe on the scope. Mounting, and shooting could be too. But it’s easiest to blame gear then take responsibility.
So thats a yes then? You have noticed the stuff I asked about, and you haven’t done a tracking test? Or a no? You’ve never experienced any of those “anomalies”….?
Pretty easy to test where bullets land on a 4’ piece of butcher paper with a plumb line on it while adjusting zoom and elevation up and down between shots too, and then do the same with a scope with different internals mounted on the same rifle.
If a non -Leupold walks bullets up and down the plumb line and returns to zero then that was what, luck? Chance? Coincidence?
But if a Leupold wanders away from the plumb line and doesn’t return to zero that must be abilities?
It was a tough pill to swallow, as I was/is way deep into double digits worth of Leupolds, but for me there is stuff that works the way I expect it to.
Guys that don’t run a lot of rounds down range every year, or are willing to check it and make adjustments due to “humidity changed the stock obviously” or “must have got bumped last season” or “I must’ve pulled that shot” and chase a zero around till it’s set where they want every August, they might work great for them. Or the guys who need to have stainless rings on a stainless rifle with a gunmetal gray Leupold so it “looks good” in the truck, great.
But if a guy wants a scope that track’s between zoom adjustments or dials for distance and expects first round hits or wants a scope to stay zeroed while it’s on the truck seat, there are better options available. Just depends on what a person’s priorities are.
And to speak to the OP, I’ve never had a bad experience with Korth, and I’ve mailed them a bunch of glass over the years.
I’ll answer a few of your questions, even though they’ve already been stated, and even though by simply reading your post I can see you are only parroting what you’ve read on 24 hour campfire, as they are almost copy and paste of many posts I’ve read by the tasco guerrilla team.
I use Leupold CDS only. I have dialed it and returned to zero on many occasions without incident. I’d go so far as to say it works great. I only use the CDS on varmint rifles, and they see far more airtime than anything else. I have numerous leupolds set up for hunting with MPBR zeros. I’ve never had to tap the scope to set them, nor have I suffered wandering zeros, or wondered about the accuracy of my rigs after safe time. All of that is more campfire nonsense. But feel free to see if it catches on here. I’m all done here as I can see you are part of the tasco mafia and look to have OD’d on the coolaid. I’ve owned many different brands, and if I found something that met the same weight, reliability and warranty (that I still haven’t had to use). I’d be happy to look at it. My only true brand loyalty is to Winchester, and even they’ve made a dumpster fire from time to time Just like Leupold or any other manufacturer. But I can’t suffer the make believe over Leupold. Tapping the turrets……. LOL
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I like leupold have have a few of them. So far I’ve had to return 4 for broken or canted reticles, 2 for haywire adjustments, one with a turret that just spun and spun and one for frozen power selection ring.
Buying my first scope with a mil reticle and mil turrets was a real eye opener as far as ease of zeroing and dialing elevation. None of them have broken yet but who knows about the future. I still use several Leupolds on hunting rifles to keep the weight down but prefer other scopes for actually dialing elevation.
Buying my first scope with a mil reticle and mil turrets was a real eye opener as far as ease of zeroing and dialing elevation. None of them have broken yet but who knows about the future. I still use several Leupolds on hunting rifles to keep the weight down but prefer other scopes for actually dialing elevation.
It’s kind of funny, because obviously someone on the ‘Fire has hurt your feelings.
For the record, I own exactly zero SWFA scopes. I’ve never even seen one in person, so you are off base there.
The fact that you haven’t progressed past the cds “system” shows you might dabble a little in longer range, but you aren’t at the point where you would realize the difference in glass that works, and glass that doesn’t. No offense intended, it’s just funny that you are showing the bias.
No one can shoot an M1 or cds side by side with something that actually works and say with a straight face “just as good”.
But like I said, maybe it meets your needs.
Back in the day they were the best option going for the money.
The Vari X iii 3.5-10/M1 that was on my 300 Ultra for a few hundred rounds returned to zero fairly well, had a bit of a wobble (half moa) to the left at 9.25 moa up to 10.5 moa. Sent it to Korth for a refresher and then gave it to a buddy this summer and it survived a dozen rounds of 300wsm and then cratered. No adjustment for elevation in either direction, and 10”
left and low at 60 yards.
Still have an M8 6x42 wide duplex with an M1 that hasn’t bobbled. Yet.
The Vari X iii 3.5-10/M1 that was on my 300 Ultra for a few hundred rounds returned to zero fairly well, had a bit of a wobble (half moa) to the left at 9.25 moa up to 10.5 moa. Sent it to Korth for a refresher and then gave it to a buddy this summer and it survived a dozen rounds of 300wsm and then cratered. No adjustment for elevation in either direction, and 10”
left and low at 60 yards.
Still have an M8 6x42 wide duplex with an M1 that hasn’t bobbled. Yet.
The older friction dial leupolds never have given me a problem.
For rough field use and dialing I’m not aware of any besides maybe a Trij Accupoint but I’ve never owned one myself.
Most scopes getting slammed around and dialed constantly in PRS comp are 30-34mm tubes with large internals. There’s no free lunch under 20ozs and I would say the Nightforce SHV or NXS compact would be perfect for a Fudd!
If you set and forget your Leupold and only shoot to mpbr without ever twisting dials you may be minute of pie plate each fall, shoot your dink and never notice a problem.
You may notice a problem when you are checking zero and it wasn’t where you left it. You go to correct with clicks that don’t correspond with stated values.
You scratch your head because most of your adult life you were told that Leupolds were the definition of optical excellence.
I never truly understood Leupold VX tracking issues until I started shooting steel out to 600yds on a regular basis. Then it became painfully crystal clear.
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Let me be clear in saying I have only had tracking/zero retention issues with click adjustment VX scopes, never older friction dial varis…although to get those zeroed was always an adventure.
I also have no first hand experience with Leupolds current higher end offerings.
And no,meat sticks, I don’t own a Tasco/SWFA as they feel lowly Canadians shouldn’t own their products.
I also have no first hand experience with Leupolds current higher end offerings.
And no,meat sticks, I don’t own a Tasco/SWFA as they feel lowly Canadians shouldn’t own their products.
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