Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm m1&m3 replica/knockoff's
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From what I can tell, the eye relief is pretty close to 3 inches on the 10x setting. I measured it at 2 1/2 to 2 3/4 inches to the front of my shooting glasses and, of course, there's another 1/2 an inch to the eye.
When I was testing the non-IR version on my .338, I had the scope contact my glasses twice in 60 rounds, when I drew in a bit too close (shooting off the bench). The contact was just a "touch", basically enough to be aware that the scope had made contact in recoil.
Anyone looking at these scopes should be aware that they are a relatively inexpensive scope that happens to have very clear glass and what appears to be pretty repeatable settings. I've bought several of these for friends and have mounted several on light-recoiling centerfire .22's, basically for the gopher patch. The longest distance gopher I've shot using one of these (so far) was a laser-rangefinder confirmed 252 yards. Dial in, whack.
What I didn't post above was the 300 yard target I shot with my Tikka Tactical, using an older (1980's vintage) Leupold 10x "silhouette" scope. The long and the short of it is that the group size is pretty well identical, but the clone is easier to adjust for varying ranges. I'd say I prefer the Leupold's extra-fine cross hairs and it may well have a bit better resolution, but you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference if you didn't know what you were looking through.
So, bottom line is: you could easily spend three or four hundred dollars and get a scope that isn't as good as these knock-offs. I can't say anything about how tough they are, since I haven't abused any of mine (except for putting 60 rounds of .338 through the one).
When I was testing the non-IR version on my .338, I had the scope contact my glasses twice in 60 rounds, when I drew in a bit too close (shooting off the bench). The contact was just a "touch", basically enough to be aware that the scope had made contact in recoil.
Anyone looking at these scopes should be aware that they are a relatively inexpensive scope that happens to have very clear glass and what appears to be pretty repeatable settings. I've bought several of these for friends and have mounted several on light-recoiling centerfire .22's, basically for the gopher patch. The longest distance gopher I've shot using one of these (so far) was a laser-rangefinder confirmed 252 yards. Dial in, whack.
What I didn't post above was the 300 yard target I shot with my Tikka Tactical, using an older (1980's vintage) Leupold 10x "silhouette" scope. The long and the short of it is that the group size is pretty well identical, but the clone is easier to adjust for varying ranges. I'd say I prefer the Leupold's extra-fine cross hairs and it may well have a bit better resolution, but you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference if you didn't know what you were looking through.
So, bottom line is: you could easily spend three or four hundred dollars and get a scope that isn't as good as these knock-offs. I can't say anything about how tough they are, since I haven't abused any of mine (except for putting 60 rounds of .338 through the one).
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Is the non IR model the cheaper one for 140$ or is it the one for 170?
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Leopold mk3's come with 4 turrets, calibrated for specific bullet weights. I believe the 4 are ; 5.56 nato, 7.62 nato, 30-06, .300 win mag. There is a manufacturer that makes custom ones I believe.
The mk3 clone shown above only comes with one turret, I believe it is for 7.62 nato with 168gr match load, but am trying to confirm. I have just bought one of these mk3 clones, and am VERY impressed for the money.
The mk3 clone shown above only comes with one turret, I believe it is for 7.62 nato with 168gr match load, but am trying to confirm. I have just bought one of these mk3 clones, and am VERY impressed for the money.
FWIW, a friend just told me about his range trip last Sunday and how his non-IR clone appears to be calibrated for Norinco .308 FMJ ammo, out to 300 yards. By the sounds of it, he was getting MOA performance (he is a very talented shooter, though).
Needless to say, he was "pleased" with the scope's performance.
Needless to say, he was "pleased" with the scope's performance.
A-zone said:
Can these clones be used for 223 / 5.56 then?
AP
Mine works fine with the 50 grain Hornady SPSX with 27.0 gr of BLC-2. Pretty well bang-on at 100, 200 and 300 yards. As of this afternoon, several dozen dead gophers would agree.
That said, I don't expect those results with everything I shoot with that rifle/scope combination.
Instead, I would expect that: "Individual results may vary". There are no instructions with the scopes that tell you what they're regulated for. So, it's kind of hard to say, with any degree of precision, how your particular scope will work with any particular load.
On the other hand, "it's hard to argue with a bulls-eye".
That said, I don't expect those results with everything I shoot with that rifle/scope combination.
Instead, I would expect that: "Individual results may vary". There are no instructions with the scopes that tell you what they're regulated for. So, it's kind of hard to say, with any degree of precision, how your particular scope will work with any particular load.
On the other hand, "it's hard to argue with a bulls-eye".
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Ok, it's not a bad sope for the price, that being said, I picked up a few extras. Mine is mounted on my M4, and if you go this route get the QD mounts & 30mm rings with the riser, if you have any trouble finding them, PM me.
I love my 2 Leupold Knock-off Mark4 M1 clones. They are sitting on top of my CZ452 Varmint and my M700 .223 varmint gitter rifle.
The .22 is just dandy for picking off little stones on the near vertical backstop at 110meters away. The side focus makes a world of a difference. What else can we tell you ?
I bought the mildot reticle version with NON- illuminated reticle. No need for night shooting anyways.
Cheers,
Barney
The .22 is just dandy for picking off little stones on the near vertical backstop at 110meters away. The side focus makes a world of a difference. What else can we tell you ?
I bought the mildot reticle version with NON- illuminated reticle. No need for night shooting anyways.
Cheers,
Barney
This is what I know...
M1 knobs are both(windage and elevation) adjustable 1/4" MOA is ONE klik (finer graduations, great for target work)
M3 knobs are elevation adjustable 1 MOA is ONE klik and windage knob is 1/2 MOA per audible klik....
. Not as fine. More coarse adjustments needed to engage 2 legged targets of opportunity (get my drift YET?) and also allowing you to reach greater distanced 2 legged targets inside ONE revolution of the elevation knob. The M3 knob is designed for hostile scenarios.
I use the M1 knobs extensively for my Service Rifle and Sniper Rifle competitions. I'm too old to be using a bangstick in a hostile situation.
Hope this helps.
Barney
M1 knobs are both(windage and elevation) adjustable 1/4" MOA is ONE klik (finer graduations, great for target work)
M3 knobs are elevation adjustable 1 MOA is ONE klik and windage knob is 1/2 MOA per audible klik....
. Not as fine. More coarse adjustments needed to engage 2 legged targets of opportunity (get my drift YET?) and also allowing you to reach greater distanced 2 legged targets inside ONE revolution of the elevation knob. The M3 knob is designed for hostile scenarios.
I use the M1 knobs extensively for my Service Rifle and Sniper Rifle competitions. I'm too old to be using a bangstick in a hostile situation.
Hope this helps.
Barney
I'm ignorant about the M2 knobs. Now, about your application for 4 legged critters inside 100 steps, by all means get the mildot reticle. Nice and clear. The reticle with all those curved stadia lines just wierds me out. Way too busy, unless you are lobbing "Hail Mary" shots at groundhogs from 400 yards away with a .222 in a cross wind. LOL
I've been happy as heck with my 2 Mark4 M1 knockoffs and their mildot reticles. Like I said, I'm only shooting earth pigs with them, and very little recoil.
Cheers,
Barney
I've been happy as heck with my 2 Mark4 M1 knockoffs and their mildot reticles. Like I said, I'm only shooting earth pigs with them, and very little recoil.
Cheers,
Barney
