Leupold Mark 4 Optics

Recce21 said:
What 2 tier system? They have discontinued Mark 4 sales to the public in order to focus on military/LE contracts of the Mark 4. You know, the guys that actually need them when lives are in the balance. There are things on the horizon and civvies will be happy but this "2 tier" stuff is not at all true.
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Are they restricting sales because they lack inventory to supply the guys in green/blue?... Or are they restricting sales because we somehow cannot be trusted with such piece of equipment?

I've been a Leupold fanboy for thirty some years, but if they think I cannot be trusted with their MK4, I probably shouldn't be trusted with their other scopes either. So I guess no more Leupold for me.

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Thanks to Nordic Marksman for bringing them in. I guess it's one last chance to get one, for those of really want one.
 
sillymike said:
Are they restricting sales because they lack inventory to supply the guys in green/blue?... Or are they restricting sales because we somehow cannot be trusted with such piece of equipment?
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Think about it for a second. Which one do you think it is? The former or the latter.......what would they be more interested in ensuring? Here's a hint: It's ensuring the proper supply to the good guys who shoot people who do bad things. Why would they restrict civilian sales of the Mark 4 but allow civilian sales of the Mark 6 and Mark 8 in the USA (ITAR issue)? The internet and competitors are trying to make this an issue which is retarded.
 
This is unfortunate....I really like Leupold Optics. So many fine manufacturers with equivalent products out there to purchase from. Very bad business decision on Leupolds behalf.
 
Runt said:
This is unfortunate....I really like Leupold Optics. So many fine manufacturers with equivalent products out there to purchase from. Very bad business decision on Leupolds behalf.
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i doubt its a bad business decision, sell to you, or get a 5000 unit contract?

no idea on how much they are selling to LEO/Armed forces, just painting a picture
 
Mark 4 line has been left in the dust by the competition. The upcoming 'Mark 5' line will be it's replacement for the general population. Mark 4's will be sold/supported to Mil/LEO where they're still used.

That being said, to claim there's no better optic than Leupold is comical.
 
wheels said:
That being said, to claim there's no better optic than Leupold is comical.
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Show me the scientific data that says they aren't? I've seen the lab testing, ACTUAL lab testing not You Tube jerk offs. How do you determine what is and isn't the best? Subjective claims like features and feel are irrelevant to how the glass performs and reliability after being dropped out of a helicopter. S&B is great but fails in critical testing. Nightforce is currently under a lawsuit (which they WILL lose) because they ripped off Leupold to make their scopes.
 
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Recce21 said:
Show me the scientific data that says they aren't? I've seen the lab testing, ACTUAL lab testing not You Tube jerk offs. How do you determine what is and isn't the best? Subjective claims like features and feel are irrelevant to how the glass performs and reliability after being dropped out of a helicopter. S&B is great but fails in critical testing. Nightforce is currently under a lawsuit (which they WILL lose) because they ripped off Leupold to make their scopes.
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Recce21 said:
Show me the scientific data that says they aren't? I've seen the lab testing, ACTUAL lab testing not You Tube jerk offs. How do you determine what is and isn't the best? Subjective claims like features and feel are irrelevant to how the glass performs and reliability after being dropped out of a helicopter. S&B is great but fails in critical testing. Nightforce is currently under a lawsuit (which they WILL lose) because they ripped off Leupold to make their scopes.
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I would actually very much like to see the data.

I am not saying X is better than Y but have a genuine interest.

Dropping my expensive stuff out of a helicopter is not something that I have done so it is an irrelevant criteria to me but I would like to see it.
 
GreenBob said:
Why do I get a feeling we will never see that data?
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Because the data is not my property and if they decide to release it, I will be the first to post it here.
If there is ever a CGN meet up or if anyone attends a shoot around the Calgary area, I will absolutely sit down and chat about this in person.
 
I've reviewed a lot of optics. I also own Leupold Mk4 scopes and at one time they were amongst the best in the World and today, yes, they are very nice - kind of on par optically with NF NXS. Five scopes that I own or have extensively reviewed that, in my view, are superior to ANY Leupold Mark 4 are: S+B Pmii 5-25x56 (own), Tangent Theta 5-25x56 (reviewed), NF ATACR 7-36x65 (own) Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 (own) and Kahles 624i 6-24x56 (owned). The Leupold Mk4's I own (3.5-10) and owned (8.5-25x50) are inferior in glass, reticles, turrets and features to any of the scopes mentioned.
 
Fabulous glass on some of the higher end leupies.
I guess the practicality of the purchase depends on the use you buy it for and how much 'campfire bragging rights' mean to you.
 
Recce21 said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no better optic on the planet than the Leupold line. Optical tests, military trials and military tenders show that. You can prefer other scope manufacturers but when it comes down to science, engineering, ruggedness and battlefield use no one holds a candle to them. Who were you going to recommend? Vortex? US Optics? S&B?. I wont even comment on how sh*tty Vortex is and US Optics and S&B are VERY good optics but physics and engineering shows they lag behind Leupold.
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I really think you are wrong about Leupold, although I will agree with you about Vortex. Leupold's current tactical line is ten years behind the competition in terms of quality and features. In speaking with vendors, the company is in the process of significantly revamping its entire tactical/military line, which is why they are now posturing with the old Mark 4 line. The LEO sales only policy, is meant to drive up demand on old remaining stock Mark IV's in preparation for their new product launches.

Leupold has traditionally relied on its LEO and Mil following, hype, partially through its large discounts to LEO/Mil in the US, and its ability to meet large scale logistical requirements for military contracts. This tactic is waning. They have been losing significant ground to the likes of S&B & Nightforce, as well as other better products. 20 years ago Leupold was the only big tactical scope manufacture in the US, able to meet large scale military demand. The market has changed.

Leupold is playing catch up.
 
Recce21 said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no better optic on the planet than the Leupold line. Optical tests, military trials and military tenders show that. You can prefer other scope manufacturers but when it comes down to science, engineering, ruggedness and battlefield use no one holds a candle to them. Who were you going to recommend? Vortex? US Optics? S&B?. I wont even comment on how sh*tty Vortex is and US Optics and S&B are VERY good optics but physics and engineering shows they lag behind Leupold.
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Lol Leupold cool-aid truck tipped and spilled over your house? I like S&B a lot and am a fan, even I will not call S&B or any scope the best, they all have pros & cons. Calling leupold the best in the world just shows your ignorance, like my good buddy thinks no revolvers are better than colt python...Kroth and Manurhin don't hold a candle to the colt...yeah right lol
 
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To everyone saying Leupold is somehow bad for stopping selling Mk4's--THEY'RE REPLACING THEM WITH SOMETHING BETTER
To everyone saying Leupold makes a bad product, you're idiots. They might not have the BEST glass, but I'm willing to bet they are the toughest. A Vortex can have some sweet glass, but if it's broken, whats the clarity worth? Durability is the most important thing to me, and to most military contracts, and that's why Leupold has so many of them. I hope the Mk5 is better than the 4, because improvements are always welcome.
 
Classy "To everyone saying Leupold makes a bad product, you're idiots."
If you would like to trade any S&B PM2s for my Leupold Mark4s. Feel free to PM me.

Cheers,
 
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