Lever Action 45-70

snackberry said:
Check out http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/ and read the experiences that the some Marlin owners are finding with their Remlins.

I purchased an 1895g last month. The front sight was not mounted properly and was crooked. I took them off and replaced with an XS Rail with front and rear sights. Also put a scope on.

I have to say that I really like the rifle. Put a box of 20 300 grain rounds through the rifle when I got it. There wasn't as much recoil as I thought there would be.

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To get the kind of performance the gun is capable of, you really need to handload.
Thissun's mine. :D

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c-fbmi said:
I would highly suggest any of the numerous Miroku offerings, either the former Brownings or the newer Winchesters. You stated you were interested in quality, well neither option you presented even comes close in quality to the Mirokus. And I believe the Henry isn't priced a whole lot less. I have a Miroku 92 and the quality is as good and possibly even better than the dozen original Win 92s I have. I have also handled several of the 86s made for Win and Browning by Miroku and the quality is second to none, it is in my opinion the finest quality levergun made today. There are several models out there in 45-70 and I think Win is even offering a 45-90, or were. If I wanted to hunt with an 86 clone I would buy the 45-90 and use 45-70 brass. The cartridge OAL is a tad longer for the 45-90 and this allows you to seat your bullets out to the second cannelure and improve the 45-70 ballistics significantly. The bullets must seat way to deep in the 45-90 case and in my original 86s I can't use even the forward cannelure on the Rem 405 gn I have to use the forward driving band to crimp over. This is solved using 45-70 cases and allows more powder than the 45-70 chamber and longer COAL but a better crimp situation than the 45-90.
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What he said. If you want quality, buy a Miroku produced, Winchester M-1886 Short Rifle. Epps has them for sale.
 
I would recommend the Browning Model 1886 Saddle Ring Carbine. They only made a limited run of them but if you keep your eye on GunBroker, you might get one. Prophet River will take care of importing it into Canada. I have one and it is the only modern rifle I have refused to sell. Here is a photo of mine (it ain't for sale) ....

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c-fbmi said:
I would highly suggest any of the numerous Miroku offerings, either the former Brownings or the newer Winchesters. You stated you were interested in quality, well neither option you presented even comes close in quality to the Mirokus. And I believe the Henry isn't priced a whole lot less. I have a Miroku 92 and the quality is as good and possibly even better than the dozen original Win 92s I have. I have also handled several of the 86s made for Win and Browning by Miroku and the quality is second to none, it is in my opinion the finest quality levergun made today. There are several models out there in 45-70 and I think Win is even offering a 45-90, or were. If I wanted to hunt with an 86 clone I would buy the 45-90 and use 45-70 brass. The cartridge OAL is a tad longer for the 45-90 and this allows you to seat your bullets out to the second cannelure and improve the 45-70 ballistics significantly. The bullets must seat way to deep in the 45-90 case and in my original 86s I can't use even the forward cannelure on the Rem 405 gn I have to use the forward driving band to crimp over. This is solved using 45-70 cases and allows more powder than the 45-70 chamber and longer COAL but a better crimp situation than the 45-90.
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That pretty much sums up my opinion of the Miroku rifles too. Just excellent! But $
 
superlative said:
I've read about the front sight problems.
Did you do anything to the action to make it smoother? Did you do anything to the feed gate to remove the pinching?
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I purchased it at a local shop after reading about potential quality issues of the Remlin GGs. The sights were off and the salesrep even ran to the basement to get another GG, but the sights were even worse than this one. Here's what it looked like:




The action cycled quite smoothly. The feedgate does hug the cartridge quite tightly (here's a pic with a snap cap):



I use the tip of the next bullet and nudge the first one into the mag by pushing it against the rim of the next one and straight into the mag.
 
Northman999 said:
Nice rifle.

If you chronied your factory 300 grain loads you might see why the recoil was less than expected. I chronied a box of 300 grain Winchester this summer and it was shooting 1625 - 1635 fps from a stainless guide gun. Five years ago I chronied some Winchester Silver Box 300 grain ammo and it was consistently at 1800 fps. At 1800 fps for a 300 grainer, it's fairly respectable, but 1630 is downright wimpy. Guys with 45 Colt carbines can do that with hot handloads, and a .454 Casull will do 1900 - 2000 fps.

You'll need to handload your 45-70 if you want loads that really get your attention.
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Thanks. I noticed I do have a FLINCH! I've been hearing so much about how these things kick... the first time I went to fire it, I had the safety on, and I think I took almost a half step back when I heard the 'click!'

I've been told a million times I need to reload. OK, maybe I'll start looking at doing that around Christmas. I don't know anything about reloading, and don't have the $$$ to get a nice kit (I noticed that there are pretty pricey kits out there).

What are your thoughts on the Lee's 50th Anniversary reloading kit?

Thanks in advance.
 
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