Liberals invoke S.39, refuse to provide evidence

Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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I think the way you think is the problem.

Firstly, if there is a fire and I have to save family or any other material thing, the choice is always family because other material things can always be replaced.

Secondly, the issue isn't about saving lives vs legal firearm owners. There have been lot of shootings in the news lately, however none of those were committed by legal firearm owners or with legally acquired firearms. Do you really think that preventing the legal ownership of firearms is going to stop the drug wars and the violence associated with that industry? Will banning the legal use of morphine during/after surgery stop fentanyl overdoses? By your logic, you have a choice to mitigate pain for surgery or save your family. You don't get both. That logic doesn't make any sense.

This decision by the Trudeau has always been based on how they can get the votes to stay in power. Since his caucus has no clue on how to deal with the drug wars, he is manipulating the media (who is manipulating the masses) into thinking that prohibiting legal firearm ownership is going to stop the drive by shootings.

Recently there were shootings in Toronto where innocent children were hurt. It was a horrible incident. If firearms were banned (which is what the Liberals are after) would this shooting have happened? If banning legal firearms would prevent this from happening, I would totally be on board. Unfortunately, I don't believe that to be the case. To prevent incidents like this from happening, the government needs to address the problem from the root. They need to manage the gang wars but instead they choose to punish/restrict law abiding citizens just so he can announce he did something to solve the issue. Unfortunately, what he is doing will do nothing to prevent future drive by shootings.
 
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bogusiii said:
What do you call a government that does what it wants in secret, pushing the boundaries of legal and neutering any oversight?

And buddy, I ain't a single issue voter. I'm unhappy with a great deal of what Trudeau's unelected back room fellas are up too. Say, what's your definition of un-elected back room fella's running things?

Also looking for some advice, where should I place my vote in today's environment if I want to be a multi issue voter?
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I love it when we have these threads on politics. People having respectful and open debate, devoid of ad-hominum and passive aggressive put-downs. People digging their feet in, unwilling to change their position regardless of what information they are offered, convinced that their superior knowledge of the only system that will work driving them to re-educate and sway others from their positions if they have any good sense.

Unfortunately I have yet to acquire the information that allows me to know it all and be confident in any party's ability to lead this country and believe that we are all voting for the party that we believe will do the least damage and who represents our personal interests over what may benefit others.

Voting for the party that represents the best interest of the firearms community is one issue that sways most of this community's votes, but I would disagree with the statement that single issue support is in play here. If you fail to see the numerous serious incidents Trudeau has been involved in that justifies the absolute disdain most of us have just from hearing his name, incidents that are reasonable justifications for supporting other options that lead to a change in leadership then so be it. Just understand that you stand on very shaky ground when speaking against anyone should they choose to support the Conservative party at this present time and in this present climate.
 
I guess what it comes down to it choosing the less of three evils lol.No political party is perfect far from it but some parties prove by their own actions they they are not to be trusted to run the country ethically and legally
 
Redeyes said:
I think the way you think is the problem.

Firstly, if there is a fire and I have to save family or any other material thing, the choice is always family because other material things can always be replaced.

Secondly, the issue isn't about saving lives vs legal firearm owners. There have been lot of shootings in the news lately, however none of those were committed by legal firearm owners or with legally acquired firearms. Do you really think that preventing the legal ownership of firearms is going to stop the drug wars and the violence associated with that industry? Will banning the legal use of morphine during/after surgery stop fentanyl overdoses? By your logic, you have a choice to mitigate pain for surgery or save your family. You don't get both. That logic doesn't make any sense.

This decision by the Trudeau has always been based on how they can get the votes to stay in power. Since his caucus has no clue on how to deal with the drug wars, he is manipulating the media (who is manipulating the masses) into thinking that prohibiting legal firearm ownership is going to stop the drive by shootings.

Recently there were shootings in Toronto where innocent children were hurt. It was a horrible incident. If firearms were banned (which is what the Liberals are after) would this shooting have happened? If banning legal firearms would prevent this from happening, I would totally be on board. Unfortunately, I don't believe that to be the case. To prevent incidents like this from happening, the government needs to address the problem from the root. They need to manage the gang wars but instead they choose to punish/restrict law abiding citizens just so he can announce he did something to solve the issue. Unfortunately, what he is doing will do nothing to prevent future drive by shootings.
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Agreed
 
"Hopefully someone will leak those secret documents. Where are all those hackers when you really need them?"

So called hackers dear saphta are on government payroll working directly or indirectly through spy/internal affairs agencies so do not expect help from them in this case
 
AMET said:
***Conspiracy notice *** tinfoil hat required ***

Do you guys maybe think…..just maybe their evidence includes conversations with outside influences like the UN… and just maybe their evidence includes the UN telling Canada to disarm their population. And there is a detailed plan that the UN has given to Canada that the true turd is using as evidence to disarm Canada???

***safe to remove tinfoil***
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Evidence if fully disclosed would probably show information that Liberals use government agencies to unlawfully gather information on their political opponents (real or perceived) in Canada and this includes AR groups / gun rights groups because they may pose threat to their agenda and gun ban is an attempt to disrupt it. UN is not relevant in this case - this is internal political affairs issue and certainly not public safety issue. By invoking section 39 this government admitted that they really have something to hide and whatever they are trying to hide is real. This is not just display of their customary arrogance in response to any challenge or opposition.

In addition gun ban was certainly a clever political move to hide RCMP/Government failure on the public safety front that would become obvious to general public if properly investigated following Nova Scotia shooting.

Two birds with one stone - thanks to utterly naĂŻve Canadian public that is so easy to manipulate.
 
Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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Firearms is quite possibly the single most important issue.

Name one society in history that you would want to live in post disarmament.
 
mk22 said:
"Hopefully someone will leak those secret documents. Where are all those hackers when you really need them?"

So called hackers dear saphta are on government payroll working directly or indirectly through spy/internal affairs agencies so do not expect help from them in this case
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Can’t leak anything if there is nothing to leak.
 
I did a search and found what the lieberals used for the OIC.

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Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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Unfortunately in Trudeau's case , there have been many scandals and poor decisions by the Liberal govt. that proves that Trudeau is unfit to be PM . So it is not just one issue , it is many , many issues .
 
Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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🙄🙄🙄 so woke!
 
Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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Owning a firearm is not a privilege allowed by others it is a right given to us at birth as it is the best way at this point in history to preserve our and our families lives , rights and freedoms. I will never vote again because there is not a useful person in politics, it is a massive joke played on the masses to see what moron they will vote for and get a similar messed up result.
 
Vewdu said:
Being a single issue voter is just being willfully ignorant and short sighted.

When your house is on fire, do you save your family, or your guns? You don't get both. A lot more pressing issues than firearms in our country. But then again, a lot of folks in this community/hobby use words they don't understand, such as dictatorship or communism.
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Many of us that will vote conservative aren’t single issue voters. There is plenty to dislike about the other choices that don’t involve firearms platforms. However, firearms are an important issue for many of us as well.
 
If you pass a law that says something is so very bad that people are not supposed to be able to see what is so very bad that you have to make a law that bans something is so very bad. What can the Courts say to the Govt that says WHY is it so bad and WHAT is it really?
 
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