light backpacking rifle advice

Iron Glove said:
Well, a Boito Backpacker .410 is quite small and you can shoot slugs at the "big game" ( rabbits ) and use shot for grouse. Doubles as a good bear banger too. :) Simple, fool proof gun.
More "oomph" than a 22 but less range and not exactly "minute of grouse head" accuracy.
I have a holster for mine, can strap it onto my belt, the ATV, my pack .......
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I found the borto hiker to small and the biggest problem I had with it was hitting targets at a distance other then that its a good little gun shoots really low off the bead sight..
 
RickR1100 said:
mikeystew, thank you very much for the detailed review and pictures! Gives me a much better idea of just what is offered...and it looks good!

Is the receiver stainless, or aluminum? Or is it normal carbon steel with a coating?
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It's an aluminum alloy which is tougher than normal aluminum, but so are the ar-7, 10/22, and all my semi .22's. The Papoose would be much heavier with a steel receiver and since it has a very good bolt buffer I doubt you could wear it out anyway.
 
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We'll see. I've asked the "SU-22" question at least a half dozen times in the last year...and haven't heard anything conclusive. Please tell me different. ETA/approx. price?
 
mikeystew said:
It's an aluminum alloy which is tougher than normal aluminum, but so are the ar-7, 10/22, and all my semi .22's. The Papoose would be much heavier with a steel receiver and since it has a very good bolt buffer I doubt you could wear it out anyway.
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Oh, I'm not concerned with wear and toughness! I shot C7's for a decade, those are aluminum alloys and shoot high volume 5.56mm!

I was thinking more along the lines of corrosion, and aluminum doesn't rust like ordinary steel does, so the chance of rain doing a number on this rifle is pretty low. Sounds like a good bugout kit.
 
RickR1100 said:
Oh, I'm not concerned with wear and toughness! I shot C7's for a decade, those are aluminum alloys and shoot high volume 5.56mm!

I was thinking more along the lines of corrosion, and aluminum doesn't rust like ordinary steel does, so the chance of rain doing a number on this rifle is pretty low. Sounds like a good bugout kit.
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Big time, between the synthetic stock, stainless barrel and bolt, and the aluminum receiver... It's pretty foolproof as far as neglectful corrosion goes.

I think you'd be pretty impressed with the internals of the action also, it is designed to shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds before needing a clean. There are several recesses along the bolt travel bearing surfaces designed to collect fouling so it does not impede the bolt function. The only part of the gun I have cleaned yet is the recesses and the chamber after about 1500 rounds, and I pulled a dry patch through at the same time. Otherwise I've inspected the action for signs of wear and so far it is still good to go for probably another 1500 rounds before it needs to have a good thorough cleaning. Also I only lube the bolt with dry graphite to prevent gumming up the fouling which I think helps. I've not had one jam or misfire in about 1800 rounds of CCI standard velocity. I cant say that for any other semi .22 I've owned.

For "bug out/in" purposes is why I bought it after trying several different set-ups. But I'm also very partial to marlins... For good reason, as nutnfancy says... they rock!

Speaking of, Nutinfancy does a decent review on it.
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The reason why we don't have them up here yet is because Vault and there lack of for sight. They already have the restricted version of this rifle released in Canada and is being sold by Arms East. So I figure if Vault wakes the beep up it should be here by spring of next year and be in the $500 range. It takes 25 or 27 round mags witch are aboundantplus the 50 round drum mag. Wieghs 4lbs and folds up to a covenet 16 inch by 8 inch. Witch is perfect for anyone backpacking or hunting in the woods.
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Can't wait!
I can just see it now. I am off hunting deer and out pops up a grouse...
Apitizers anyone?
Oh ya nutnfancy had his papoose before he got the su16 and the only down side to the su16 is that they need the bolt to be pulled back in order to pull the mag out safely. But I already have a fix for that :p
 
10/22 compact. Fits in my rucksack and i can carry it in the bush like a pistol, its super light (4. something lbs) and the factory fiber optic irons are pretty nice. Comes drilled and tapped like most 10/22's iso you could throw rings or w.e floats your boat on it. Plus hook up one of those mystical 110rd drum mags on it when they arrive and your set.
 
Hey not trying to go off topic but I’m after a pack gun as well
I have been looking for a papoose with no luck and am now looking at the 10 22 take down just because that’s all I can find.
If anyone knows where to order a papoose I sure be glad to know.

My only input on the question is go papoose over ar7. ar7 too much plastic and feed errors! Id rather pack a bit more weight and have it work.

Last note; I have a 10 22 and am real happy with it the take down model may be worth a look.
 
A lot of guys here seem to have had bad luck with AR 7's.

I have an Armalite original and a Henry. The Armalite has gone easily 300 rounds in a day with no problems; I haven't shot the Henry enough since it was given to me just prior to the onset of the LGR. Just like all semi 22's, try a few brands of ammo and see which one the rifle likes. Try different lubricants also...I remember the Armalite liked lots of oil.
 
Its not a .22 but I have a Rossi Tuffy... great little 410 that takes down into 2 pieces and holds (only) 4 rounds in the stock. A little difficult to shoot at first, but with some practice I was hitting 1/3 skeets at about 25-40 yards out with standard 6 shot 2 3/4 shells. It will shoot slugs too. Only thing its missing IMO is decent sights for more accurate slug shooting... but im looking into a solution for that. Mines nickel plated as well so all weather durability and longevity should be no problem. Its not a .22... but its a very small, very light gun that would fit about anywhere and pack a pretty serious punch.

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stewacide said:
...the other that was mentioned a few times was this: http://www.packrifle.com/

Supposedly it shoots better than the AR-7, and is lighter, but more money, and again I'm dubious about its legality in Canada (OMG PISTOL GRIP MUST BE AN ASSAULT RIFLE!!! ;) ...when of course it's probably the least-deadly least-tactical firearm money will buy)
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Its non restricted they will ship to a company in Canada just no one currently imports them.. I called and asked.

I used to own a henry us survival rifle the flaw I found in it is it feels like I can snap it in half and its ment for right handed shooters which isn't a problem but the stock bludges to the right side allot it's not even when you mount the reciver and i found that to be weird. The accruacy wasn't that bad unless your shooting all day then it will drop when the barrel heats up but its not a target bull barrel so what do you expect. For hitting squrials and stuff like that it does just fine its super light weight so thats a big plust.

The ruger 10/22 take down isn't a bad choice as well but I carry a Borto 410 hiker I found its small light and packs a bigger punch if I need it.

I also own a Norinco JW-20 which is a copy of the browning take down 22 thats not a bad choice for 200 bucks because you just don't care about it just make sure you find a ammo it likes as it can be picky but for the price you can't complain.

Now for the henry buy a new one they fixed all the old problems just check the barrel and make sure it's not rough because sometimes there is a metal bur on the barrel that can effect it abit but thats easy to fix.
 
Henry makes a nice little take down store in the stock .22lr 8rnd semi called U.S Survival.22. I have one that I keep in my truck it works well but it is a little pick on the ammo you feed it. like my wife it needs high end stuff.
 
What ever can fire a CCI Volicitor consistently with out breaking down and not bolt action .. But it obviouslty depends in the long run if you will be the one that is hunting or the one being hunted ... I do not hunt and have not spent a lot of time in the woods for 40 years .. but too many people these days are talking about coyotes to ignore any possibility of not coming across one ... I would rather have a semi-auto when something is in close and moving with speed or is not alone.
 
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