last year we had a newbie show up in camp,brand new rifle,i asked if i could see it,was a 243 ,asked him we he chose the calibre,he said the store clerk recomended it,i said it a nice rifle can i see the ammo that you brought up to shoot the moose,he handed mme 2 boxes of core locs that i acidently dropped in the lake,he said what im going to use now,i asked if he brought up a shotgun,said yes ,went to my box and gave him 4 boxes of chalenger slugs,can you imagine what would have happened with those 80 grainers