lighting conditions on stages... opening can.. worms clawling out

Then deal with it at the match, and put your $$ down if you want to arbitrate in front of your peers.. Don't ##### and whine like a spoiled child.. (Oops.. did I say that out loud..)

There has been no #####ing or whining thus far. Talk of putting down $$ and arbitration; now that does have a certain ring to it, eh? And just exactly who is acting like a spoiled child?? Omen enunciated a well thought out position which others chose to mock. I, fool that I am, took exception to the mocking and added my two cents.

In one respect you are absolutely correct, “When all you have is hammers, everything starts to look like a nail!!”. It is a simple phrase with much more meaning than is apparent at first glance. Perhaps we should think about it as it pertains to this thread.

As an aside, one year in Sault Saint Marie there was a wheel chair course of fire. It was an eye opener for all who attended.;)
 
I think you guys bias your COF with the skinny athletic track and field star in mind... I am fat, ugly and broken down and frankly most door frames are to skinny for me.

smarten up !!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
There has been no #####ing or whining thus far.

Hello? are we on the same thread?? The fact that a second thread had to be created on this topic, so omen can state that we'll take his 20%. ??????????????

BTW: the 20% is up to the RM's decision not the shooters, and is based on "incapacity or injury". It's not a "Given" that the shooter can demand.


Talk of putting down $$ and arbitration; now that does have a certain ring to it, eh? And just exactly who is acting like a spoiled child??

Thats exactly what the arbitration comitte would decide on, and the reason it's there. If his opinion had merit, then they would see it. If not then too bad.

As an aside, one year in Sault Saint Marie there was a wheel chair course of fire. It was an eye opener for all who attended.;)

Thats great! Now you might know how's it's like for people who have a visual disability.
 
Wow, I must have seriously missed something! Looking at these posts there seems to be a lot of grumpiness out there, for what reason I don't know. Here I thought I was merely popping into an interesting stage-design related debate, but it seems to be entirely something else that I'm out of the loop on. I would have thought that most people would agree that if a stage is so dark that targets and/or no-shoots cannot be seen or differentiated then it would make the results of the stage somewhat suspect. But as I've said; I've clearly missed something here.

On a technical note, one small correction:
Wide open lens = more light gathering = greater depth of field.
Stopped down lens = less light gathering = narrower depth of field.

So if it's dark and your lens is wide open the problem is likely not depth of field, but rather lack of contrast. The darker it becomes, the more mono-chromatic things become until they reach the point that all objects appear to be the same color and tone, so edges and boundaries become impossible to define. After that, as it gets darker they simply loose all differentiation entirely until you can't see them at all.

It's a small point. In the end, blind is blind.....
 
Actually Rob,

"Optics of the Human Eye" by David A. Atchison and George Smith said:
Significance of pupil size

Pupil size has a number of effects on vision.

Depth-of-field

As with conventional optical systems, the diameter of the pupil affects the depth-of-field. The larger the pupil, the narrower the depth-of-field.
 
Actually Rob,
Crap! Sorry, I'm too "focused" on what I do (CG Layout for animation) which deals mostly with focal length and never with aperture, so I tend to interchange them in my head. I keep forgetting about that damned ratio thing since I just never have to deal with it. For us, DOF is manipulated mostly in Post production digitally.
See below. (Forget what I said Omen.)

Aperture: Aperture has a very large impact on DOF. The smaller the aperture, the greater the DOF.

Focal Length: Increasing the focal length reduces the DOF. Conversely, decreasing the focal length increases the DOF. Thus, long lenses typically have small DOFs and wide angle lenses have large DOFs. This is one of the reasons that landscape photographers often use wide angle lenses. A wide angle lens combined with a small aperture produces a very large DOF.
 
Is there still talk about "Living Daylights" stage from last years Drama Daze?????
You got to be kidding me!!!!!

Storm that was a great stage.....

And since I never get cocky on here (I usually have no reason to be)... I'll shoot it slower next time and not tell my young "D-Class" apprentice how she should shoot it! Sucks getting beat on a stage by a "newbie"! I know.:cool:

Now only if that stage was worth 40 more points... I might have had my first L3 win... LOL:dancingbanana:

Storm... Provincials???? Please???? LMFAO

(All in fun guys!)
 
Is there still talk about "Living Daylights" stage from last years Drama Daze?????
You got to be kidding me!!!!!
Ah....I didn't know we were talking about a specific stage: I thought it was a general discussion. I don't remember anything that far back, let alone a specific stage. I guess I am indeed out of this loop.
 
I could be mistaken... but I think "Living Daylights" is the stage that sparked all the discussion about "lighting".

I assume so...

It wasn't my favourite stage at the match...but there were ways to "minimize the pain"

Alex pointed out to me...if I close my eyes (after I'm loaded and holstered) while I'm waiting for the range comands... once I open my eyes...I'll be already adjusted to seeing in dark conditions...

It actually worked...

I guess there's a trick to every stage...
 
I just chose to IGNORE the fact that there were lights illuminating the targets...

I "remembered" where the penalty targets were in the array and then shot where they were not.

Did I score all "A"s?

nope.

I think I ended up with 1 miss and 1 penalty hit as I goofed on the second row sequence.

I did not shoot based on the lgith sequence timing at all.... just shot where I KNEW the targets were based on looking at them before I turned the lights off.
 
Is there still talk about "Living Daylights" stage from last years Drama Daze?????
You got to be kidding me!!!!!

Storm that was a great stage.....

And since I never get cocky on here (I usually have no reason to be)... I'll shoot it slower next time and not tell my young "D-Class" apprentice how she should shoot it! Sucks getting beat on a stage by a "newbie"! I know.:cool:

Now only if that stage was worth 40 more points... I might have had my first L3 win... LOL:dancingbanana:

Storm... Provincials???? Please???? LMFAO

(All in fun guys!)

I have no comment...:p
 
I am comming in late on this discussion but I have shot dark ( total blackout)stages at the US Nats in Quincy ( they built a dark house you can shoot in any direction but uprange), they kept it down to 6 targets and you get a good flashlight to use even so it is mostly stupid...even if it tests some ability to shoot in strange situations we never ever never practice for this so the results are partly based in luck.

Usually dark stages like this are set up by those who don't know any better hoping to show somebody something but the results always end up with the top shooters ( more gun handling practice) doing well and everyone else sucking.

Sorry just how it is....I vote NO on dark stages.
 
As a MD who put a dark stage in a match I do not know whether to take this as an insult.........or an insult.

Sorry, but you are not required to like, or agree with my opinion.

My question(s) to you would be, why put a dark stage in a match?, what shooting ability where you testing?
 
I've never shot a dark stage, but have been thinking about designing one.

A problem I have is that if its pitch black the safety officer can not see the shooter, so I would assume there is a need for night vision equipment or something like that.

Anyone have any experience with this?
How dark were the stages you guys are talking about (living daylights)?
 
The RO uses the shooter's muzzle flash to see, usually carries a flashlight in case there is any trouble, other RO mans the light switch as well.

Can you start to understand why this is not a great idea.

Did I mention in previous post that targets are normally shot at point blank range. Makes it even more dicey.
 
don't think it's a problem

Hhhmmmmmm.......I think it's simple......It's a fantastic sport that has various degrees of skill testing....challenging you in speed, accuracy, movement, target acquisition, etc....etc.....and lets not forget LOTS OF FUN :runaway::runaway::dancingbanana:

as already mentioned, the heavier guys don't complain about the this or that..
the shooters with other ailments don't complain about this or that....
and the others don't complain about this or that....

there's always a stage or even more that was unfair to someone at a match.

It sounds like a legitimate concern, as are others, and to mention just for fun or just for the sake of making a note of it, is o.k......but if mentioning it, in hoping to actually have it changed....I think is not nice....

My girlfriend didn't think it was nice to say " Stop whiiiining man"!, so the above paragraph took it's place....just to make her happy.....

there are other sports or hobbies that may be more fair for everyone.

or, from now on, lets all start complaing to IPSC Ontario about every stage that was unfair to us :eek:;):p :rolleyes:
Hey Quigley, is your server ready to handle that ?

Of course there's a bit of serious and humor in my post...take it as you want....

Oh, re: those specific stages.....drove me nuts too....but lots of fun and hope to get another crack at them....maybe with my contacts this time, instead of my glasses ;)
 
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