Little badger? Henry survival? Papoose? If you own(ed) one, help me decide..

I got my little badger today. Overall I like it quite a bit. Had a few misfires off the bat but it was brand new and after a cleaning it seems to be working just fine. Accuracy was around 1.25"@ 25 yards which isnt great but not terrible with the crude sights. I will be mounting some sort of optic on it at some time.


The sights are crude for sure. I put a dab of white paint on the front sight and find it much easier to pick up. I also bent the wire stock so that the cheek weld was better and as bonus it also folds into a more compact package.

To bend the stock I wrapped some tape around the steel stock where it enters the receiver and then clamped it in a vice and then bent it with my hands and a bit of body weight.

I've also since put a red dot on it which works well.
 
I have a Papoose and a Little Badger... I've had them both for a few years now.

The Little Badger:

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Covered the rails with some rail covers, and wrapped that, and the wire stock, in cammo fabric duct tape. The forend pic rail is kinda useless for actually adding things to nthe gun, and a bit of a cheese grater in the hand, so I just covered and wrapped it. The wire stock is "functional" and sturdy enough, but no fun as a cheek rest. The cammo cloth duct tape makes it slightly nicer as a cheek rest... At least it keeps the stock from freezing to your cheek in the cold. Also covered the rear of the receiver with tape, just to cover the non-standard pic rail behind the trigger, who's only function is to chew up your middle finger if using a normal grip.

Accurate enough out to 25 yards with the peeps to bag a squirrel. But you have to keep an eye on that rear aperture. It'll slide up and down the elevation adjustment if you so much as sneeze on it, so you have to keep checking it to make sure it hasn't moved when you pull it out of a pack, or catches on some brush, or it gets hit by a stiff breeze.

Made from the cheapest pot-metal Chiappa could source. Accidentally dry fire it once, and you'll peen a gouge into the chamber so deep you'll need to spend some time with a file to smooth it out enough to be able to chamber a round.

It mostly lives out at the farm now as an emergency spare, that, realistically, I never use.

The Papoose:

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Threw on a cheap surplus POSP 3.5x scope, and bought some spare 10 and 25 round mags for it. Easily as accurate, if not more accurate, than the LB. Retains zero after take-down and re-assembly. The shortened forend isn't the most ergonomic thing in the world, but more comfortable than the LB forend by a mile. The stock is a proper stock, and easy to get a good cheek weld on it.

Reliable. Has eaten any ammo I've fed it, whether from the 10 round or 25 round mags.

With the scope attached, it still fits in the carry bag, along with everything you see in the picture (the mini barrel, an empty "Toxic Waste" candy container, holds about 70 loose rounds). As a package, this makes for a super convenient "grab and go", throw it in the trunk and drive off, gun. If my car is going to be leaving city limits, 100% guarantee that thing will be in the trunk. A handy little package with a fun gun to shoot, and enough ammo for a casual day's worth of plinking, or shooting gophers or squirrels.

Between the two:

No contest, the Papoose, hands down, is the better gun. I use it fairly often, partly because it's just so convenient to throw in the trunk of the car with everything I need.

What 25 round mags are you using?
 
My Marlin 70 PSS Is great.

I shoot it a lot. It is accurate enough for a survival gun, I have put 2000 rounds through it in the last six months.

I have a bushnell 2X shotgun scope on it, and I love it, Super tough and useful, no moving parts etc.

Super easy to clean because of the break down, and fits in a nice little sack. Would recommend, expecially if you can get one from before Remington bought Marlin.

Magazine are cheap, and 7 shot mags are easy to carry in the woods.

Only problem is that it no longer holds the magazines well. But not that big of a deal with a .22
 
I took out the clb today for a bit. -40 here with the wind but wind wasnt too bad. Laying prone I tested a few different types of ammo. Most were right around 3/4" for 5 shots at 25yards. Cci sv wss the clear winner with .5" groups. I should mention I did mount a 3-9 scope on it for ammo testing but it will end up with a red dot of some sort.
 
I see quite a few little badgers in the EE which is not a great sign. What's worse is in a few of the pics I can visibly see a small divot where the hammer peened the chamber. Not something you should see on a relatively new single shot, that tells me the metal is far softer than it should be for a rifle barrel. It's going to have a short lifespan accuracy wise.

I'll focus on finding a papoose for the spring/summer. I put up a couple guns for trade in the EE for now.. sadly dont have the spare cash for a papoose at the moment even if I could find one. Got nailed with a bunch of unexpected expenses last month..
 
I see quite a few little badgers in the EE which is not a great sign. What's worse is in a few of the pics I can visibly see a small divot where the hammer peened the chamber. Not something you should see on a relatively new single shot, that tells me the metal is far softer than it should be for a rifle barrel. It's going to have a short lifespan accuracy wise.

I'll focus on finding a papoose for the spring/summer. I put up a couple guns for trade in the EE for now.. sadly dont have the spare cash for a papoose at the moment even if I could find one. Got nailed with a bunch of unexpected expenses last month..

There is a relief cut around the chamber on the lb so the firing pin can't actually contact it. Maybe they changed this in the later models but I can dry fire mine to my hearts content with no damage. I'm actually pretty impressed with it for the money. It's a blast to shoot.
 
I'm looking for a small, weather resistant, lightweight stowable plinker to take on sailboating vacations.

im going to focus in on this first line from the OP and reply to this.
im not going to go into any other area's of these guns that we could discuss but rather focus in on the original question.

so, where am i coming from with my experience.
have a Little Badger, Papoose, 10/22 take down and a Henry Survival rifle.
while i have tested them all in different conditions i will focus in on water and boats.

so, i have 2 boats that i use in Northern Alberta all summer.
the first is my 19ft power boat that i use on lakes and rivers and bomb around draggin the kids on inflatables and fishing.
my other boat is a Striker Inflatable that i use for remote lakes that we quad into then set up the boat and go fishing, have also had it on the river up here.

so when i got the 4 pack 22's i mentioned above i wanted to find one that i could take with me when we are out on the boats to use for a back up in case of break down and having to camp out, pop some supper or whatever.

so from my experience i would recommend the 10/22 as best all around, stainless with synthetic stock so rust protection is excellent and the gun runs great and is accurate. its the one i take majority of the time as its proven itself.
my 2nd up rifle is the little badger.
while it is 'pot metal' it has some great selling points that cant be overlooked.
1) price, by far the cheapest 22 pack rifle around.
2) small and light
3) super simple take down and cleaning (3 parts, 3 pins and 3 springs)
4) most accurate out of all the 22 pack rifles.

as for the papoose, in my experience i found the rifle very underwhelming.
accuracy was not great with the one i have, may be a lemon....

Henry AR7.
cheap plastic.
this was the one i had originally got to put into my boats i would never take it out and bank my life on.
while it works ok, it is a jam-a-holic and thus unreliable but that isnt why i wouldn't recommend it for boat use.
i would not recommend it for boat use because the springs and small parts on the inside rust super uber fast!!!!

i got mine wet and took it apart the next day and all the springs where severely rusted already.
i have since taken it down 2 more times and both times i have found severe rust on the springs and a couple other parts.
i doubt ill ever use the gun again without replacing the springs with some after market ones that wont rust.... seriously a scary amount of rust in a short period or time, very worrisome.

hope that helps.
 
I just picked up a papoose off of the EE. Its much lighter than a 10/22 and packs away nicely. Havent shot it yet however
 
I just picked up a papoose off of the EE. Its much lighter than a 10/22 and packs away nicely. Havent shot it yet however

You will like the Papoose!
Great little pack .22 that is very light and accurate.
It's a fun little semi that you don't mind throwing in your pack.
 
I have a 70pss and i love it. I have put 2600 round through it in the last six months. Super light and easy to transport.

Older ones are better than the newer 795s made by Remington
 
Out of the 3, the Papoose would be my choice. As a general survival rifle I have a few others in the vault that I wouldn't hesitate to add to the mix. Many people feel that the little badger is flimsy and I felt that way also so I picked up a little deluxe badger which has better metal and a wood stock and fore end. It still folds and comes with the exact same carrying bag as the little badger. If you are concerned about follow up shots, than the double badger has both a .22 and a .410 and it folds also. My wild card would be the henry's mare's leg. It holds 11 rounds and is roughly the size of the Papoose without being taken apart. Some times, while hiking in the woods I ask myself, what if I had to take the gun out fast and use it? You'll have to assemble the Papoose but not the mare's leg. Only real down side is that it does come in stainless like it's bigger brothers, the 357 and 44.
 
I've had them all and I like the Badger.

A stainless 10/22 take down is a "better" rifle in my opinion, but a single shot .22 doesn't get any simpler than the Badger.

Badger. Rock solid and simple, plus you can shoot any 22 ammo, short, long, long rifle, shot (#12 mouse dusters at point blank range) Fast to deploy as well. Have had a couple of Papoose, don't like the barrel wrench thingie, Browning SA22 is nice as well, internal mag (read: no lost marlin or ruger mags in the bush.....) on the Norinco version, also had the 10-22 takedown, decent enough. Any semi= fast follow up shots, single shot just makes it a bit more fun. If you want more oomph, try the old Savage 22/20 camper, haven't handled the newer version yet, but that old gal was sweet. Never should have sold that one...….a 20ga slug makes a decent impact on most game.
 
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