Live round stuck in breech...

barsik said:
that's a tricky situation, we don't know what's causing the out of battery interference but be very careful no matter how you approach it. trying to force the bolt closed has probably jammed the round even harder in the chamber so you will need to take non conventional steps to remove it safely without damage. if the muzzle is threaded some guys have poured oil down into the barrel and adapted a grease zerk to the muzzle and pushed a live round out of the chamber with grease pressure. the oil is supposed to kill the primer but the bullet has to get pushed into the case first. whatever you do, remember safety first.
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Painkillers said:
I would advise firing the round. Carefully take it to the range as is, (take the bolt out and ensure nothing could conceivably strike that primer while enroute.) at the range, send the bolt home aggressively and touch off the round. Then if the case won't extract, you can get barbaric with a dowel at home.
Once all is clear, you'll have to answer the question as to why it happened, and don't chamber live rounds at home. ;)
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But are we sure it's even the correct round?
 
BigUglyMan said:
Was just about to say the same thing. I saw a guy repeatedly try to chamber a round in an AR. Tried to force the action shut but it wouldn't budge. Come to find out that there was a patch stuck in the throat of the rifle. Had he managed to get that round to chamber I feel pretty confident that it would have ended badly for the rifle, and maybe my buddy as well.
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Ive seen brass jag and patch stuck in a C9 barrel. After it wouldn’t cycle blanks. Would been bad if it was live ammo.

Lol me ranting about the #### turning in a gun with jag stuck ( likely was gun shared on basic ) Got me a visit to my CO office and a near conduct charge. Nothing like CGN logo on a bunch of paper on a desk.

I ran into my CO a few years later after I got out, and we had a chuckle about that.
 
Autolite said:
perhaps just try packing the barrel with grease and using some sort of metal ramrod* (and a hammer) to force out the jammed round.
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You should definitely try that and see how it goes. :rolleyes:

I find it best to NOT give out advice you don't understand. 🤷‍♂️

FWIW grease doesn't work because it is basically impossible to totally fill the bore with thick grease without leaving air bubbles and pockets that will compress under pressure. It has to be oil.


tiriaq said:
I have had success with the hydraulic method.
This is messy.
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The description of this method as "messy" is a wild understatement. When the metal rod is whacked, oil will spurt out of the muzzle at high velocity. The thing about the mechanics of this method is your head and face will naturally be right above the muzzle when you hit the rod. Give that idea a minute to sink in ............. 🤷‍♂️

Oh and let's not forget, that jamming a close fitting steel rod into the rifling and then whacking it with a hammer is probably not going to do the rifling any good.
 
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guntech said:
I have seen wooden dowels split and wedge tight half way up the barrel. No pointed bullet did that, just the extreme force and slight cross grain in the dowel. DO NOT use any wood dowels to DRIVE anything out of a barrel is my advice.
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I saw the end result of a guy who got a bore snake stuck in a rifle barrel. He pulled so hard the pull string broke off. Then I think he tried a wood dowel, which also snapped off leaving a piece of it in the bore. Then he tried a small diameter metal jointed cleaning rod, which got jammed in between the soft bore snake and the wood fragments. Unable to pull the cleaning rod out, he unscrewed the thing leaving one segment deep down in the bore.

Barrel well and truly FUKCED. 🤷‍♂️

Don't do stupid things boys and girls.
 
as per guntech's post, use a rod that is near bore size and with electric tape.

I've seen a cleaning rod broken and jammed in a rifle bore.

I also keep a 1/4" brass rod in my shop for light tapping, brass is too soft and will mushroom on the ends for serious work
 
I Dont Care About You said:
I find it best to NOT give out advice you don't understand. 🤷‍♂️
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Using grease to create a 'hydraulic lock' is a proven method. I've used it myself (with a hammer and ram rod) to remove a seized transmission input shaft pilot bearing from the end of engine crankshaft. But theshootist can just decide for himself what he wants to do. Take it FWIW...
 
guntech said:
If a live round is very jammed into the chamber it may require a lot of force to drive it out.

Hold the rifle in padded jaws of a vise.
Use a steel rod close to the bore diameter with flat ends and only about 3 inches longer than the barrel
Wrap electricians tape around the rod, to protect the rifling. Do that close to the end where it will contact the bullet and about every 6 inches and close to where it exits the muzzle
Use about a 2 pound hand sledge, tap it to make firm contact and then give it a really good whack. you can use a piece of plywood with a hole so the rod can go through it to protect the muzzle when the case drives out and the sledge may hit the crown. If the case is really jammed tight you may have to drive the bullet far into the powder before it will break loose
If this fails lets us know. Then there is another procedure.
DO NOT use a wood dowel
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Not my case- but thank you! It was very educational for me.
 
Autolite said:
Using grease to create a 'hydraulic lock' is a proven method. I've used it myself (with a hammer and ram rod) to remove a seized transmission input shaft pilot bearing from the end of engine crankshaft. But the shootist can just decide for himself what he wants to do. Take it FWIW...
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Perhaps I am not understanding the process that you are promoting to remove a stuck cartridge, but I DO understand using grease to hydraulic out pilot bearings having done it. The reason that grease is used for pilot bearings is because they are in a blind hole. A stuck cartridge is not in a blind hole and therefore can just be pushed out from the muzzle end. Not understanding the point of adding grease.
 
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Autolite said:
Using grease to create a 'hydraulic lock' is a proven method. I've used it myself (with a hammer and ram rod) to remove a seized transmission input shaft pilot bearing from the end of engine crankshaft.
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Uh huh ..... well maybe try it in a long, narrow hole and see how that works out for you. A rifle barrel is in no manner similar to a bearing race hole.

You see, I have used hydraulic pressure to remove a stuck round .... and you have not. 🤷‍♂️
 
I Dont Care About You said:
Uh huh ..... well maybe try it in a long, narrow hole and see how that works out for you. A rifle barrel is in no manner similar to a bearing race hole.

You see, I have used hydraulic pressure to remove a stuck round .... and you have not. 🤷‍♂️
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theshootist asked for ideas. I told him what worked for me. I am not here to argue about it. He can decide for himself what to do...
 
Autolite said:
I posted a couple of videos of guys using grease to remove a jammed round. But like I've said, theshootist can decide for himself what he wants to do...
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I did not watch the videos but I was not suggesting that using grease to be bad, just that I don’t understand WHY the use of grease IOW, what does the grease do that just a rod without the grease won’t do. Just asking so maybe I can learn something.
 
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