LJUNGMAN AG42 with a scope ??

[84mmcarl-gustav]

Hello,is there some one see a LJUNGMAN AG42 with a scope?,or use this rifle as a sniper rifle???

 

[Talquin]

There are some some people have mounted scoped onto a ljungman. Most people need either a shell deflector on the bottom of the scoup or to install a adjustable gas screw

 

[JP]

The Swedes used the M/41 and M/41B sniper rifles. They were m/96 rifles selected for accuracy and fitted with a telescopic sight, either the German AJACK 4x m/41, or the Swedish AGA 3x m/42 and 4x m/44 scopes

 

[Steiner]

Do a search for scoped Hakim and you find some info. Basically same rifle except in 8mm.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?43873-The-EXTREME-HAKIM-Sniper-rifle-experiment
Unfortunately it seems most of the photos are no longer posted on the Hakim project. At least there is some reading to start you off.

 

[camster]

I have seen a scoped Ljungman! About 15 years ago...it belonged to a co-worker's father in Iqaluit. Seal and, caribou slayer for sure.

I've owned my Ljungman for about 25 years...keep my eyes open for more but, so far, only one was "scoped". Not too sure how that one was mounted but, if you check inside receiver, you'll see it's tapped on the left side.

 

[sunray]

"...tapped on the left side..." That'd be the only way to put a mount on. Suspect it'd be more trouble than it's worth.

 

[fat tony]

My brother had an M-42 that had 3 tapped holes under the woodline on the left hand side of the receiver. I don't know if all M-42's have this feature. Could anyone check for me? Best regards, Tony

 

[Swiend]

My brother had an M-42 that had 3 tapped holes under the woodline on the left hand side of the receiver. I don't know if all M-42's have this feature. Could anyone check for me? Best regards, Tony

Mine did, I think all of them had. I had a pic of a scoped Ljungman, looked very good, almost factory.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

I drilled and tapped the other side then made a mount that bridged over. It was good to have a scope on that rifle. With decent ammo they are pretty accurate.

 

[camster]

This is not my picture but, I contacted another site's poster. Posted here with permission!

So far, every one I've seen had the 3 holes on the left side. I've not seen one with the stock inletted for a mounting bracket yet...

 

[fugawi]

This is not my picture but, I contacted another site's poster. Posted here with permission!

So far, every one I've seen had the 3 holes on the left side. I've not seen one with the stock inletted for a mounting bracket yet...

Must be a pretty heavy rig. Was it set up that way for hunting? As JP said the Swedes used M/41 and M/41B bolt action rifles for snipers.

 

[burnt_servo]

i've read that the 3 holes on the left side are for manufacturing the reciever .

if the stock was inletted for a mount onthe left side , the wood would be getting awefully thin ....... not sure how long things would last before the stock started to come apart .

 

[fat tony]

Well since they never were set up for it, it would be an experiment anyways, including stock design. However 3 holes are more than some receivers have.

By the way, here is the High speed low drag Ag 42/b that never was, the FM 1957

Looks like a high set up with that base in that pic of the scoped one.

AK-5 HISTORY PAGE:

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/ak4_5/ak5_history.htm

 

[84mmcarl-gustav]

Hi,thanks all for the info,that could make a nice sniping rifle with the right scope mount.

 

[camster]

"Sportin'" Rifle...lol

I doubt the scope in the pic I posted even utilizes the three D&T'd holes in the receiver. They are ahead of the stocks cross bolt. Although the pictured one appears "swept" forward, it'd still have to be "L" shaped.

These are very accurate rifles and, possible one of the "most accurate" semi's made (I'll have to shoot better to know for sure!). I think the 6.5x55 round is far more reaching than my vision is! That said...I carried mine hunting as a young 'un(about 25 years ago) and, got teased to no end for it. The thought of lugging it the same distance on the same turf today REALLY tells me how out of shape I am!

 

[fat tony]

Iirc, there was an Ag-42/b for sale on the ee a few years ago that was converted by an unknown gunsmith to .308 Winchester. The seller claimed the rifle shot very well. I don't remember quite who was selling it. If you go to the AK-5 history page I posted a link to, there were offical attempts to convert AG-42/b's to 7.26X51 mm. I wonder why the attempts were abandoned, if the Swedes were looking to save $ on the cost of the program? Reliablility issues?

 

[fugawi]

Iirc, there was an Ag-42/b for sale on the ee a few years ago that was converted by an unknown gunsmith to .308 Winchester. The seller claimed the rifle shot very well. I don't remember quite who was selling it. If you go to the AK-5 history page I posted a link to, there were offical attempts to convert AG-42/b's to 7.26X51 mm. I wonder why the attempts were abandoned, if the Swedes were looking to save $ on the cost of the program? Reliablility issues?

Why would the Swedes want to convert to 7.62x51 mm? The 6.5x55 mm is a great cartridge, the Swedes must have had vast quantities in the supply chain - this cartridge has been around since the turn of the century. And why would anyone go to the trouble of converting a AG42 to .308? Just to do it? What would be the gain? the 6.5x55 mm is fine for hunting and the AG 42 is not really. Its long and frick'n heavy. Can someone please explain?

 

[camster]

Iirc, there was an Ag-42/b for sale on the ee a few years ago that was converted by an unknown gunsmith to .308 Winchester. The seller claimed the rifle shot very well. I don't remember quite who was selling it. If you go to the AK-5 history page I posted a link to, there were offical attempts to convert AG-42/b's to 7.26X51 mm. I wonder why the attempts were abandoned, if the Swedes were looking to save $ on the cost of the program? Reliablility issues?

A fellow CGN'er has mentioned owning one in PM's but, as I recall (usually poorly!!) a Father-in-law did it...

I love the 6.5x55 but, .308 would be so convenient. There's an 8mm Hakim (with adjustable gas) and, a 7.62x39 Rashid too(charging handle that, remains stationary and, adjustable gas) Direct gas for every body!

 

[fugawi]

There is one for sale right now on Gunbroker. Opening bid starts at $4000.00

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228910872

This is from the description:

"This is a Swedish FM59 Prototype Ljungman which is one of the rarest known Swedish military rifles. This rifle was an attempt by Sweden to convert their Ljungmans from 6.5x55 to 7.62x51 NATO. They converted the Ljungman from direct gas impingement like the M16 to a gas piston in the FM59. They did this because the Ljungmans original gas impingement system was not suited to the higher pressure generated by the 7.62x51 cartridge. The Swede's took existing Ljungman stocks and receivers out of the armory and had the conversion done to them for testing. There were only about 10 of these rifles built and of those 10 only 3 are known to be in the USA. This information can be found in Doug Bowser’s book, Neutrality Through Marksmanship :A COLLECTOR'S AND SHOOTER'S GUIDE TO SWEDISH ARMY RIFLES 1867-1942 , which mentions the FM59's that were imported by Sarco."

In the end the Swedish government adopted the G3 for their military and did standardize on 7.62x51mm NATO. I guess neutrality gets you only so far.

 

[gaff]

the ag-42 is not designed to opperate at the pressure of the 7.62x51 . it is a bomb waiting to explode.