LJUNGMAN AG42 with a scope ??
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If you get a chance...
If you have an opportunity, I would appreciate a view...
Action cover? Would you slide the scope ahead to catch the bolt?
...maybe I'd better look at the pics before making inquiries...
If you have an opportunity, I would appreciate a view...
Action cover? Would you slide the scope ahead to catch the bolt?
...maybe I'd better look at the pics before making inquiries...
The problem with scoping the AG42 is that you need to put your hand on top of the dust cover and grasp both of the projecting nubs to #### it. A side mounted scope prevents this so you would need to attach a cocking handle that would clear the scope mount.
7.62x39 sounds more interesting than 7.62x51.
7.62x39 sounds more interesting than 7.62x51.
I had no problem with my scope mount and it bridged both sides. All you need is to move the two operating knobs rearward enough it releases the slide. The scope mount just has to be rearward of these knobs that are near the front of the cover. It does work and is functional.
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Well at the time these experiments were going on they wanted to switch to 7.62X51 for some reason. They kept 6.5.x55 on the burner until around 1990 from what I understand for their reservists. They had a pretty darned cool version of the Browning Automatic Rifle in 6.5X55 mm as well. They went to the 'G-3' design eventually. Interesting the AG/42/b will not withstand 7.62X51, that would explain why so few of the prototypes were made, sort of like the Australians and their short lived experiments with converting SMLE's to 7.62.
Quote from 'Neutrality through Marksmanship' by doug bowser
the FM59 ljungman 7.62 rifle
in 1959 the swedish government converted ten ag 42b rifles to 7.62x51 NATO. Of the ten rifles converted 7 are in museum and ptivate collections in Europe. At the time of this printing the remaining three are for sale by sarco (book first published in 1996)
Couple of hand drawn pictures follow
The rifle pictured is obviously a prototype. There is no lower band or swivel. The integral muzzel brake is replaced with a clamp on brake, similar to the one found on the US M14 rifle.
Due to the increase in working pressure from the 6.5x55 to the 7,62x51 nato round , the swedish arm designers decided to change the gas system. The original gas tube is replaced with a piston system similar to the SVT-40 Tokarev. The gas is trapped from the top of the barrel and pushed the rod to the rear to unlock the original tipping bolt. Residual gas pressure in the bore operates the action after the bolt is unlocked.
The book then shows a picture the gas system with the handguard removed. The new handguard is metal and is stamped FRAMAT
The gas cylinder slides over the barrel and is held in place with a wedge pin. The front of the gas cylinder is removeable for cleaning.
Next is a picture of the gas cylinder and some text.
The FM 59 ljungman is one of the rarest military prototypes in existence. I believe it should be included in this book because of the innovative changes made to the original AG 42B rifle.
End of the quote.
Before anyone #####es about spelling or me not quoting all the text ; I just typed this all out on my phone.
the FM59 ljungman 7.62 rifle
in 1959 the swedish government converted ten ag 42b rifles to 7.62x51 NATO. Of the ten rifles converted 7 are in museum and ptivate collections in Europe. At the time of this printing the remaining three are for sale by sarco (book first published in 1996)
Couple of hand drawn pictures follow
The rifle pictured is obviously a prototype. There is no lower band or swivel. The integral muzzel brake is replaced with a clamp on brake, similar to the one found on the US M14 rifle.
Due to the increase in working pressure from the 6.5x55 to the 7,62x51 nato round , the swedish arm designers decided to change the gas system. The original gas tube is replaced with a piston system similar to the SVT-40 Tokarev. The gas is trapped from the top of the barrel and pushed the rod to the rear to unlock the original tipping bolt. Residual gas pressure in the bore operates the action after the bolt is unlocked.
The book then shows a picture the gas system with the handguard removed. The new handguard is metal and is stamped FRAMAT
The gas cylinder slides over the barrel and is held in place with a wedge pin. The front of the gas cylinder is removeable for cleaning.
Next is a picture of the gas cylinder and some text.
The FM 59 ljungman is one of the rarest military prototypes in existence. I believe it should be included in this book because of the innovative changes made to the original AG 42B rifle.
End of the quote.
Before anyone #####es about spelling or me not quoting all the text ; I just typed this all out on my phone.
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So, the jury is still out, was the action capable of handling the pressure or not? It seems as though the Swedes thought the action could take it, just a matter of installing an adjustable gas mechanism / barrel / bolt / extractor / sight motifications, 
- although only 10 prototypes were made. (Some users of the 6.5mm Ag/42/b probably would like an ajustable gas mechanism installed as well).
- although only 10 prototypes were made. (Some users of the 6.5mm Ag/42/b probably would like an ajustable gas mechanism installed as well).
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