LMT Barrel Issue (continued)

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Before this is locked, a note for Questar.

If you resolve this situation to Blaxsons satisfaction I will stop boycotting you, until such time I will add my voice to the people recommending against purchasing from you.
 
My order of magazines went well. However the way I see it allowing a company to advertise on your site is kind of like an endorsement from CGN. So if that sponsor is ####ing over forum members if it were me I would say get your #### together or your gone from the site. You are the company you keep etc.

Partially why I don't allow advertising on my site.
 
Their self-serving terms of 'service' is a religion. "We don't, we won't...". Message should be "How can we help and serve YOU, valued customer?" The lack of respect, the indifference, the bureaucracy is grating and I'd appreciate a statement of how things will improve.

Silver lining: Another major CGN had major service issues which were resolved. I repeat: customer service is KING!!!!
 
ill put money down that this thread and the original will be deleted by noon tommorrow....sweep sweep sweep...

locked once already... CGN needs to get their sh*t together and start supporting the members.

So everyone keeps saying it, but did you raise a dispute with your credit card company, or are you just going to bare down and take the wait because you need the barrel that badly?
 
Screw Questar, they should learn real customer service from Brownells. I can't wait for the ITAR limit to be increased to $500 (as long as the manufacturing files their increase). Blaxsun is a stand up guy, I've done deals with him and he's been bang on.
 
Regardless of questars return/sales policy, that barrel should have never even been shipped too a customer, without prior approval from the customer.

The last thread and this thread is enough too prevent me from buying from questar.
 
Gentlemen,

Some history.

I received an email from Blaxsun yesterday morning (Monday) concerning an issue he discovered with the chrome lining of his LMT 13.5" MWS barrel. He provided pictures of the bore (and only the bore) in his email. I responded to him within an hour of receiving his email. I provided a return shipping label to have the barrel returned to us for inspection and resolution as directed by LMT and to be able to better answer any questions LMT may have. At the same time his pictures were send to LMT with a request for resolution. LMT's representative requested that the barrel be returned to them for them to take corrective action. This information was passed along to the customer.

These barrels were purchased directly from LMT and exported under one of our export permits which allowed for this specific barrel. These were not purchased as seconds as these barrels are not for sale in the US. We did get approval from Mr. Lewis for the purchase of a small qty for export only.

Mr. Blaxsun purchased the last barrel we had in stock so exchanging it for another was not an option. He then inquired as to the timeframe that this could take, he was told approximately 4-12 weeks. Up to this point the only issue brought to our attention was the bore.

As LMT is the manufacturer of this barrel they are the ones who provide the warranty and the ones who direct what they would like to do to resolve the customers issues. LMT has always stood behind their product and on several occasions have gone above and beyond replacing items that the customer clearly damaged on their own for various reasons. That is clearly not the case with Mr. Blaxsun as I believe he has done nothing to cause the issue with this barrel.

Upon our indication of the timeline that is involved Mr. Blaxsun then requested a full refund. My respond to him:

"Unfortunately as we are not the ones who provide the warranty a refund is not applicable at this point. LMT needs to deal with this issue (and they will) as they are the manufacturer."

Up to this point no information was provided about exterior condition of the barrel. Nor was any indication given that the barrel was going to be returned for resolution.

Mr. Blaxsun then sent his email with the pictures of the exterior further requesting a full refund. At which point he decided to call our offices prior to any response being sent to him. A conversation commenced and it was reiterated that LMT would resolve the issue in the timeliest manner feasible. While the conversation did not end with the resolution Mr. Blaxsun was hoping for I continued to work with LMT to try and expedite a replacement barrel for him. LMT has confirmed that they are working on getting one sent to us and we will be able to resolve this is a timely fashion.

As to the point of inspecting goods as they arrive in our facility. When items arrive they are inspected for conformity to PO (did we get what we ordered) quantity is confirmed and a brief inspection of condition. We do not inspect bore's, we do not disassemble firearms or other products and we do not clean firearms and or products. Many manufacturers test fire the guns prior to shipping and some like LMT test fire their barrels prior to shipping as well. Evidence of this is left with the item as many customers expect to see this evidence and are concerned if it is not present.

As to Mr. Blaxsun, once the replacement barrel arrives from LMT and should Mr. Blaxsun wish to return his, we will exchange it without issue. This should be able to be accomplished in 4-5 weeks. Within the timeframe originally provided to Mr. Blaxsun.
 
While I would definately send that barrel back it is one incident. In all fairness I have had good dealings with product issues. I had a bolt snap when changing the barrel on my LMT. They sent a new one out at no charge. Even though I bought the rifle NIB off the EE. So while I will joke about that barrel I do have to stand up and say there have also been incidents where they've gone above and beyond what they had to. I have bought a few products from them before and they've been as advertised.

Hopefully this barrel issue gets sorted out.
 
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Before this is locked, a note for Questar.

If you resolve this situation to Blaxsons satisfaction I will stop boycotting you, until such time I will add my voice to the people recommending against purchasing from you.


Sorry to hear this blaxsun
I have bought from Questar in the past and it went smoothly in my opinion LMT and Questar both are to blame on this one .
 
...When items arrive they are inspected for conformity to PO (did we get what we ordered) quantity is confirmed and a brief inspection of condition....Many manufacturers test fire the guns prior to shipping and some like LMT test fire their barrels prior to shipping as well. Evidence of this is left with the item as many customers expect to see this evidence and are concerned if it is not present.

No offense but deeming a rusted and scuffed up barrel as alright and ready to ship/charge isn't alright in my book (that's without the bore issue, as you have stated that its not a detailed examination, which is perfectly understandable...time is money). As a customer I have NEVER expected to receive a new item, even one that was tested, rusty and in a condition that the OP received his LMT barrel in. If you guys think it's alright to ship that sort of thing than there's an even bigger issue here, and if you didn't notice any of the ware on the product than that's a really "brief" inspection.
 
I received an email from Blaxsun yesterday morning (Monday) concerning an issue he discovered with the chrome lining of his LMT 13.5" MWS barrel. He provided pictures of the bore (and only the bore) in his email. I responded to him within an hour of receiving his email. I provided a return shipping label to have the barrel returned to us for inspection and resolution as directed by LMT and to be able to better answer any questions LMT may have. At the same time his pictures were send to LMT with a request for resolution. LMT's representative requested that the barrel be returned to them for them to take corrective action. This information was passed along to the customer.

Actually Scott, I tried to reach you by phone the day the barrel arrived - the afternoon of Friday, May 12. I was told you'd already left for the day, were gone for the weekend and probably wouldn't have a chance to respond until Monday (at the earliest). After I got off the phone with your rep, I quickly sent you an email with the photos of the flaws in the chrome lining (only) so you'd have that sooner as opposed to later. I emailed you Friday; you responded on Monday. As indicated, I wasn't necessarily expecting a response earlier - but I did want to correct the impression that you left in your statement that I waited 3 days before contacting your company...

And with respect to your correspondence with LMT, this is what you indicated:

"I'll need to contact LMT for you. As I am out of stock on these I don't have one to replace it with. I've attached a mailing label for you to send it back with as I am 99% sure they will want it back to replace.

The implication here was that you needed to speak to LMT. At no time in your email correspondence or our brief phone conversation did you indicate that you had actually spoken to LMT, and that they'd requested the barrel back. What you did specifically state was this (these are separate emails):

"I can't give you a firm time frame as there are many things that can affect it. I would expect anywhere between 4-12 weeks from when we get the barrel. If LMT replaces it, it will be the same configuration.

Unfortunately as we are not the ones who provide the warranty a refund is not applicable at this point. LMT needs to deal with this issue (and they will) as they are the manufacturer.

Questar International does NOT provide the warranty on product we do not produce. We will support you with your warranty claim with LMT but at this time will not be issuing a refund.


Mr. Blaxsun purchased the last barrel we had in stock so exchanging it for another was not an option. He then inquired as to the timeframe that this could take, he was told approximately 4-12 weeks. Up to this point the only issue brought to our attention was the bore.

Just to be clear Scott, I provided you with the additional photos of the barrel after you gave me a 4-12+ turn-around on the warranty, and then indicated that this was a working estimated based on numerous factors. When I indicated to you that this would potentially derail my plans to shoot it this summer and politely requested a refund instead, you refused. In fact, you didn't even respond to the email with the second set of images - and I actually had to contact your office later to inquire if you'd received it or not. It was during that phone conversation that you acknowledged your staff actually examined (granted, a cursory lift out of the box), took pictures of and then shipped out the barrel prior to it arriving. I'm not sure if you're trying to imply that I've deliberately marked up the barrel to support my claim, but since you didn't have a chance to respond until Monday anyway - what difference would it have made receiving the rest of the photos earlier? Would you have offered me a full refund? Besides, you didn't refute my assertion that it was sent out like this - and I'm still waiting for the photos of what it looked like pre-shipping. Please feel free to post them here.

As LMT is the manufacturer of this barrel they are the ones who provide the warranty and the ones who direct what they would like to do to resolve the customers issues. LMT has always stood behind their product and on several occasions have gone above and beyond replacing items that the customer clearly damaged on their own for various reasons. That is clearly not the case with Mr. Blaxsun as I believe he has done nothing to cause the issue with this barrel.

Obviously LMT would have to fix it, but according to LMT it left the factory after being inspected and fired (there wasn't any snippet of a target or any other documentation that accompanied the barrel, though). So if I didn't damage it - and LMT is pretty sure it left the factory in minty condition... is this really a warranty issue?

Mr. Blaxsun then sent his email with the pictures of the exterior further requesting a full refund. At which point he decided to call our offices prior to any response being sent to him. A conversation commenced and it was reiterated that LMT would resolve the issue in the timeliest manner feasible. While the conversation did not end with the resolution Mr. Blaxsun was hoping for I continued to work with LMT to try and expedite a replacement barrel for him. LMT has confirmed that they are working on getting one sent to us and we will be able to resolve this is a timely fashion.

Actually Scott, I contacted you an hour or so after I'd sent the photos without receiving a response. Which is fine - I didn't necessarily expect you to drop everything on my behalf to try and resolve this. You may also recall me asking what your "best case" turn-around for prior LMT warranty was, and you indicated 6 weeks. You also indicated that all manufacturers in the US (not just LMT) were experiencing severe delays. Suffice it to say, your 4-12 week estimate neither tracked or instilled a lot of confidence.

As to the point of inspecting goods as they arrive in our facility. When items arrive they are inspected for conformity to PO (did we get what we ordered) quantity is confirmed and a brief inspection of condition. We do not inspect bore's, we do not disassemble firearms or other products and we do not clean firearms and or products. Many manufacturers test fire the guns prior to shipping and some like LMT test fire their barrels prior to shipping as well. Evidence of this is left with the item as many customers expect to see this evidence and are concerned if it is not present.

While I don't expect you to clean my barrel for me, it was clearly much worse for wear than anything I've ever received (new or used). I find it really hard to believe that it left LMT in this condition. And as it was packaged fairly well, I also doubt Canada Post manhandled it in transit. As for the bore, a cursory look would have revealed what appeared to be several flaws in the chrome lining. These were detectable without any equipment beyond an artificial bore light and the naked eye... I know you've stated it's Questars policy, it just seems as though a quick check would have saved everyone a lot of grief. With respect to the evidence of test-firing, as mentioned above - nothing accompanied this barrel (aside from the box, some cardboard packing and bubble-wrap). Was this inadvertently discarded or possibly misplaced?

As to Mr. Blaxsun, once the replacement barrel arrives from LMT and should Mr. Blaxsun wish to return his, we will exchange it without issue. This should be able to be accomplished in 4-5 weeks. Within the timeframe originally provided to Mr. Blaxsun.

Can you please clarify how we've now gone from 4-12 weeks (estimate), 6-12+ weeks (realistic) to 4-5 weeks (best case scenario) in a span of 24 hours? I'll reiterate your earlier comment in an email to me:

"I can't give you a firm time frame as there are many things that can affect it. I would expect anywhere between 4-12 weeks from when we get the barrel.

I'm not trying to suggest that I'm unhappy with what at first glance seems to be a revision in your estimate... I'm just trying to understand what's changed? I may have misinterpreted your post, but it sounds like you've already ordered or requested a replacement barrel from LMT. I was under the distinct impression this was a warranty issue and that you needed my barrel back first... :confused:
 
Nothing has changed just more information available. I would rather err on the side of caution than provide you with information that is not realistic, hence the 4-12 weeks. We are still working to resolve the issue in a timely fashion. I had been in contact with LMT trying to get a resolution to the issue (your barrel is still required to be returned to us in order to do so).
Yesterday LMT could not confirm if they had any replacement barrels in stock that could be used to resolve the issue. I received confirmation this morning and requested that one be sent which they agreed to do even though they have not received yours back.
If you wish to discuss further please email me in the office.
 
Nothing has changed just more information available. I would rather err on the side of caution than provide you with information that is not realistic, hence the 4-12 weeks. We are still working to resolve the issue in a timely fashion. I had been in contact with LMT trying to get a resolution to the issue (your barrel is still required to be returned to us in order to do so).
Yesterday LMT could not confirm if they had any replacement barrels in stock that could be used to resolve the issue. I received confirmation this morning and requested that one be sent which they agreed to do even though they have not received yours back.
If you wish to discuss further please email me in the office.

Perhaps a full refund on the barrel upon return.. Because it is obviously not NEW as stated on your site when he purchased it..
 
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