Load Data for Campro 124gr + Hodgons Titegroup (Confused)

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Hi everyone, this is my first time reloading. I'm using a "9mm CamPro 124 Grains Round Nose Full Copper Plated" and "Hodgon Titegroup" for my powder.
I'm trying to figure out what load should I use and at what depth should I seed my bullet.
CamPro's website says that even if the bullet its copper plated you can use FMJ loads since the plating is very thick.


-By looking at the Hodgon's website:
Starting Load = 3.6 grs.
Maximum Load = 4.1 grs.
C.O.L. = 1.150 inch


-By looking at CamPro's website:
Starting Load = 4.1 grs.
Maximum Load = 4.4 grs.
C.O.L. = 1.120 inch


As you can see the max load for hodgons is the starting load for CamPro's which makes me a bit unsure of how much powder should i be using.

My goal is to reload a total of 100 rounds doing 20 round batches going: (3.6gr - 3.8gr - 4.0gr - 4.2gr - 4.4gr) then going to the range and testing all of them and seen which works better for my gun. Hopefully settling in something around 4.0 or 4.1.

I'm mostly worried about the 4.2 and 4.4 grain batches since it exceeds the Max load in Hodgons website.

I will be shooting this from a "Sig Sauer p226 Legion SAO" which for what I've heard is a pretty tough and reliable gun.

Will it be safe shooting the batches from 3.6 to 4.4 grains?
I chose to follow the COL of the bullet manufacturer of 1.120. Is this a good choice?

Thanks in advance for helping this newbie!
Alvaro
 
I am a total rookie as well, so take what I say with a "grain" of powder.

I just reloaded my first batch of 9mm using Campro 124gr hollow points. I used CFE Pistol powder and loaded them at 4.7gr (0.1 over the minimum) as per Campro's website / data. I shot them today and all was fine. I am sure you will be fine using Campro's data like I did.
 
124grn Campro over 3.6grn Titegroup is a popular load in my IDPA group. I have fired this very combination in my Shadow with excellent results. However, this is my recommendation: Start at 3.6grn and work up 10 rounds each at 0.2grn increments to 4.4grn. Take those to the range and shoot two 5 round groups for each (minimze pistol movement for truer results). Find the most accurate of those loads and use that load (take notes, you won't remember later). CAUTION!!! Titegroup does not require a whole lot of powder and can be easy to double charge for the noob loader if you are not very careful. Do this on a single stage press eyeballing every stage on the way, especially charging the cases. Make sure you calibrate your scale before starting. If you are in SW ON, PM me - I'll be glad to come over and help you with your first loads.
 
adrenaline681,

Hodgdon provides reloading data for the Berry bullet Hollow Base Round Nose Thick Plated and is different from the Round Nose Full Copper Plated from CamPro. The CamPro reloading data might be better suited in your case. 4 or 4.1gr might work wonders for you.

SP
 
Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like you need to do a little more reading before attempting to reload.

Finding OAL:

Cut and paste from another site:

*Note: If being used in multiple handguns load to the shortest OAL while remaining in the "safe zone". Make sure your rounds pass the plunk and spin test.

Fit a new jacketed or plated bullet into a fired case. (No powder; fired primer.) If you try 2 or 3 bullet/case combinations you'll end up with 1 or 2 where the bullet is a snug "push fit". Set the bullet out to an OAL of like 1.300". Any OAL longer than what you need. Working with your barrel REMOVED from the gun, slide this "test cartridge" into the chamber. At some point it will stop going into the chamber. In other words, whatever the bullet is striking is keeping the test cartridge from going in all the way. At this point, if you continue to push, the bullet will slide back into the case until the mouth of the case comes to rest on the end of the chamber. So whatever the bullet was striking has pushed the bullet back into the case. Follow?

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Now, slowly and carefully withdraw the test cartridge and measure its new length. Do this with other bullets and other cases until you start to see the same number again and again. That measurement is your exact chamber length for that bullet in that barrel. Now of course we need a set-back distance off the rifling, so subtract at least .015" from that number to obtain your maximum OAL.

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So let's assume your test cartridge keeps giving you a number like 1.177". We subtract our setback and get 1.177" - .015" to equal 1.160". You see I've backed off an additional .002" because 1) it's simply easier to read on a caliper, 2) the chances of finding a load for 1.162" is impossible, whereas 1.160 is probably pretty good, and 3) we're talking less than a human hair, so gee whiz give it a break!
 
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I use 124 Campro bullets with 3.6gn Titegroup. This load will cycle my wife's CZ75 Omega just fine, but it is borderline in her Shadow 2. It will only barely cycle my Springfield 1911, and I do get the occasional smokestack in this gun. Going up to 3.8 grains cycles all three guns reliably. I have not chronographed it, and I doubt it makes minor factor for IPSC, but it is a soft shooting and accurate load.
 
I loaded a batch of Campro 124gr at 4.2gr Titegroup at 1.11" OAL and got great groupings from my pistols but I think they were a bit on the hot side. Primers were showing a little bit flattening. I don't think I'd want to go up to 4.4gr.
 
I load 124gr campro, 4.0 grains Titegroup, 1.15 in OAL. That gets me comfortably above 125 power factor for IPSC shooting with CZ shadow
 
I have 1.25lbs of TiteGroup left, will be glad when it is gone, way to dirty for me even behind plated/jacketed bullets.

The Hogdon load data is with Berry's 124 GR. BERB HBRN TP, totally different bullet then your Campro 124gr.

As quoted from there site, Berry's#Superior Plated hollow base thick plate bullets are designed for shooters who need
increased accuracy and higher velocities.#The hollow base allows the bullet profile to be longer
and provides more contact area with the barrel and rifling to stabilize the bullet and improve accuracy.#
The thick plate allows the bullet to handle up to 1500fps.
#
The bullet profile is longer but the weight remains the same and you can load these bullets using any
published load data for a jacketed bullet as long as it is the same weight bullet.
 
I don't think I have ever seen in any reloading book any load that matches start and max loads. Different cases, barrels, weather batch of powder etc. You start with the listed start load and work up watching for pressure signs. accuracy. etc. Looking at your data I would start with or close to the Hodgdon starting load.
 
4.3 TG under the 124 Campro at 1.105""COAL works in all my 9 mms and is what I would consider pretty hot. Back it off to 4.1 and you have a great round. 3.8 and you start to have cycling issues in my experience.
 
Trinimon said:
I loaded a batch of Campro 124gr at 4.2gr Titegroup at 1.11" OAL and got great groupings from my pistols but I think they were a bit on the hot side. Primers were showing a little bit flattening. I don't think I'd want to go up to 4.4gr.
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4.2grs of Titegrouo was my original load for my Beretta 92; I didn't have any signs of over pressure. I have since dropped it down to 4.0grs and it cycles just fine and I shoot it a bit better. I find it is a bit dirty; the cases come out dirty compared to factory. Pistol doesn't seem to gunk up all that much.
 
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