Loading for .44Russian

Smokepole

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I know this has probably been disscused before, but my searches won't find it.
What are some good loads for this cartridge, and are there any tips or secrets I should know.
Can I use .44 special brass?
I would be using them in an antique DA S&W w/4" barrel.
 
Smokepole,
I would be very cautious in loading for one of the breaktop smiths..according to Jinks all the frames were made well before 1897 and are of iron or lower grade steel......a fair number of the reputable gunsmiths in the U.S. (David Chicoine for one) do not reccommend smokeless in any vintage smith...the continued force of the recoil...operating with a different impulse and pressure curve than black seems to stretch the frames......also a lot of data published recently is for modern reproductions in .44 R....weak design...better steel...
conversely a lot of old data from Lyman manuals in the 30s and 40s is also hot...

not withstanding this warning...I've done it and will keep doing it...at very low pressures in the 7,000 psi range.....I've used a pile of Unique and recently a little Trail Boss....I've read of guys on other forums using 2400 to slow down the pressure pulse but can't comment on it other than that............Trail Boss is a good idea because of the 'fluffiness' built into it but is very quick......even mild loads might hammer a frame...If I were starting out I'd use Unique and keep it mild..

Steve
 
I second Trail boss :)
I use it in my 45 Colt loads 6 grs with a 250 gr bullet getting 700 + FPS and not a hard on the gun at all.
When i shot my S&W DA 44 Russians i used a 4.5 gr unique load and it was so mild i cant see it was streching anything but if ya uped the powder charge of course anythings posible.
I shot 5 gr unique loads to with a 200 Gr bullet and 4.5 with the 245 gr bullet.

WIN 38 55 is the guy to talk to about 44 Russian loads ;)
He has done great things with his NM #3 and is getting 800 FPS with a 245 gr bullet.
BUT thats with a NM #3 which i think has a better cylinder than the S&W DA New Navy models.
 
Different powders burn at different rates and, thus, produce different peak pressures and burning curves. Smokeless powders slower than Blue Dot or 2400 will produce lower peak pressures than black powder for the same velocity, all other things being equal. What this means, contrary to many gun writers, is that certain smokeless powders are actually safer to use in black powder guns than black powder is. Powders faster than Blue Dot/2400 produce a higher pressure spike than black powder, with the Blue Dot/2400 producing a peak pressure similar to black powder, for the same velocity and all othe things being equal. For this reason, if a fellow is going to use Unique in an old pistol, he needs to understand that the peak pressure of Unique is much higher than black powder for the same velocity and all other things being equal. Therefore, he needs to decrease the muzzle velocity accordingly. Trail Boss is even worse.

For the 44 Russian, I use 12.5 grains of Accurate 5744 under a 256 grain cast Elmer Keith bullet for and average velocity of 780 fps. Recently, I was shooting at a target tacked to a hard, dry cedar tree 25 yards away that was about 7" thick. This load was putting the cast bullets right through the tree. When I first started using this load in my S&W New Model #3, I began to measure the distance from the forcing cone to the back of the frame to the nearest half thou. I eventually quit because there was no measureable change after a few hundred rounds.

In general, the pistol load charts today seem to go by the fast-powder-in-tiny-amounts strategy. You don't want this for antique pistols. I go by the slow-powder-in-large-case-filling-amounts strategy, for low peak pressures.

Too high a pressure for the same velocity will blow your cylinder but not stretch the frame. A velocity higher than BP, even if the pressure is fine, may begin to stretch your frame. You must both keep the pressure at or below BP pressures by using powder slower than 2400 and you must also keep your bullet momentum at or below original specs. Bullet momentum = weight x velocity. You do need to Chrono your loads when you are developing them to know where you are.

I'll soon be developing a smokeless load for the 45 Schofield.
 
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38-55 that was a great read, thanks alot for taking the time to write it up. I am really looking forward to reading about your schofield load development please keep us abreast of what you are taking the time and energy to learn.

Thanks
 
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