Loaning a handgun, what's the correct legal procedure?

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Assuming both shooters have annual ATT's, what is the correct procedure for one to loan a handgun to the other for a week or so?
 
make sure they have a valid PAL/POL , ATT, and beer money...be sure to give them a copy of your reg (photocopy is fine). when the firearm is returned in a legal fashion ( pickup from club or get a short ATT to you residence) ensure the gun is clean, in good condition and accompanied with at least 200 more rds than it went out with...:p :beerchug:

PS" extra mags and/or speed loaders are considered good for too!


JK: just pay attention to the short ATT and reg...you will be in good order
 
in bc our ATT's are good for all registered restricted firearms, so long as we have their registration paperwork.
 
I don't know what your ATT says but mine (OOPS, mine is expired) says you can only take it to the range and then return it. NOT lend it to others and they can take it with them.

Transport of restricted firearm(s) and/or prohibited handgun(s) is authorized
TO and FROM the shooting range ...

1) I had this explained to me by a firearms officer in Winnipeg. I currently have a gun loaned out to a new shooter (for over half a year so far). We both needed to get a short term ATT. Me to bring it to the range and him to take it home. After that his ATT covers him to take the gun when ever he wants. We would need new short term ATTs when I take the gun back.

This also lists the gun as residing at his/her address.

2) A few years ago I borrowed a handgun from a friend. I called up the CFO at the time to ask how to do it. The FO at the time told me that I was licenced and that I only had to pick it up. Sounded good to me. He is no longer there for a number of reasons.

Call the CFO and ask. If you get answer 2 above then get it in writing. If it was wrong then they will not admit they told you you could.
 
If it were me I'd get them to sign a piece of paper that said they borrowed it on a certain day for a certain time; call me paranoid but I wouldn't want something to do something stupid with my gun and then return it so that I could potentially get in trouble.
 
^ call me paranoid but they still might be watching. lol

This begs the question about 'why on earth would you lend your precious HG or any firearm to some who you felt unstable or a potential threat'? the only thing I would lend someone like that is a quarter to call the loony bin.

No flames Jimbo but something to keep in mind as your point has so validity.
 
ahh but isn't there some silly rule about how long we are allowed to borrow someones firearms? if so then a little piece of paper limits you to a specific time frame right?
techincally speaking you have to get the gun off someone at the range, and then transport it home on your ATT and back and forth etc. I do not believe your ATT will cover you to pick the gun up from your buddies and take it to the range.
but then again how would anyone know any different?
 
Are we not also required to inform the CFC of a change of storage location of a restricted firearm? I am referring to a medium/long term borrowing situation.
 
pitdogboy said:
^ call me paranoid but they still might be watching. lol

This begs the question about 'why on earth would you lend your precious HG or any firearm to some who you felt unstable or a potential threat'? the only thing I would lend someone like that is a quarter to call the loony bin.

No flames Jimbo but something to keep in mind as your point has so validity.
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True enough. Then again how well can you really know somebody? ;)
I don't lend anything out because I'm positive that if i do get it back (which is unlikely in itself) it'll be somewhat damaged...my friends always seemed to find ways to scratch the living sh*t out of my CDs so I can't imagine even what the "most responsible" ones would do with one of my several-hundred dollar toys! :D
 
Slavex said:
ahh but isn't there some silly rule about how long we are allowed to borrow someones firearms? if so then a little piece of paper limits you to a specific time frame right?
techincally speaking you have to get the gun off someone at the range, and then transport it home on your ATT and back and forth etc. I do not believe your ATT will cover you to pick the gun up from your buddies and take it to the range.
but then again how would anyone know any different?
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There is no rule for how long you can borrow a gun. I am borrowing a gun to a new shooter. He has had it for over six months now. The gun is listed as stored at his location. A few years ago I stored my brother's guns at my home for about two years. Again the guns were listed as being stored at my home.

I have a couple of 12(6) prohibited handguns being stored at a friend's place until my court case has been dealt with. This may take up to a year. Again the long term storage is noted by the Registrar.

Borrowing a gun for a couple of days also requires the same documentation trail as a six month period. It's not a big deal. It is no worse than getting a temporary ATT to take your guns to a gun show.

There are a few opinions here on what your long term ATT covers you for. Has anyone actually asked your CFO (as I did) if the ATT allows you to transport a gun you are borrowing? Before you follow any advice in this thread call the CFO and confirm it. Don't forget that it is your licence on the line.
 
Mike K said:
A valid ATT in B.C. states:

The holder must be in possession of the Registration Certificate(s) for the firearm(s) being transported.

It does not mention anything about having to be the registered owner.
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You don't have to be the registered owner. You do have to meet the other conditions though.

On my ATT it says I can transport gun FROM my home to the range AND BACK home. The guns do not have to be mine. The ATT does NOT say I can pick up other guns at the range and take them home.
 
Gothmog said:
Are we not also required to inform the CFC of a change of storage location of a restricted firearm? I am referring to a medium/long term borrowing situation.
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Not only are you required to inform them of the change of address, you are also required to obtain a short term ATT to get them to the new address.
 
Rudy H said:
You don't have to be the registered owner. You do have to meet the other conditions though.

On my ATT it says I can transport gun FROM my home to the range AND BACK home. The guns do not have to be mine. The ATT does NOT say I can pick up other guns at the range and take them home.
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it doesn't say you can't either. It simply says you can transport guns, and that you must have the registration certs for them.
 
Slavex said:
it doesn't say you can't either. It simply says you can transport guns, and that you must have the registration certs for them.
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My last Manitoba ATT (the Feds run the Manitoba office) has three parts. One part lists my name and the reason for transport, TRANSPORT TO ALL APPROVED RANGES IN MANITOBA.

The second lists condition, the to MY ADDRESS and from ALL APPROVED RANGES. "Transport of restricted firearm(s) and/or prohibited handgun(s) is authorized TO and FROM the shooting range ...

The third page lists additional conditions including the authorization number. Additional transport options is to bring the guns to a licenced gunsmith or to US boarder points.

I can't comment on ATTs from BC since I don't have one and no one has listed exactly what thier ATT says (in total, not just one line). As I have said before, if you feel confident in your interpetation then go for it. The original question was asking for the CORRECT LEGAL way to lend/borrow a handgun. I checked with my CFO on this same question. My CFO does not agree with your interpetation. If others want to follow your legal advice then good luck to them. I recomend they first check with thier own CFO.
 
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