Lockhart renegade semi auto conversion

[G Rank]

An FRT is not a requirement to make a sell guns in Canada.

That worked oh so well for the Crypto and the (Turkish grey-import) Sterling R9, look where they've ended up after being sold without FRT entries.

Modifying the Renegade at this level is basically remanufacturing like many others have said, with the upper half of the Renegade being the serialized firearm. Also comparing this to the Pederson device feels shallow since that's a (rare and scarcely ever seen) drop-in conversion and not a permanent modification to the firearm as a whole, just to make a case for changing action types "legally".
If Lockhart *really* wanted to keep their nose clean they could just make another semiauto themselves from scratch, much like the Crypto, instead of overhyping a conversion service of dubious legality and overhyping their own straight-pull/lever/pump rifle likely to be DOA like the Crusader PND is currently perceived

 

[Tokay444]

That worked oh so well for the Crypto and the (Turkish grey-import) Sterling R9, look where they've ended up after being sold without FRT entries.

Modifying the Renegade at this level is basically remanufacturing like many others have said, with the upper half of the Renegade being the serialized firearm. Also comparing this to the Pederson device feels shallow since that's a (rare and scarcely ever seen) drop-in conversion and not a permanent modification to the firearm as a whole, just to make a case for changing action types "legally".
If Lockhart *really* wanted to keep their nose clean they could just make another semiauto themselves from scratch, much like the Crypto, instead of overhyping a conversion service of dubious legality and overhyping their own straight-pull/lever/pump rifle likely to be DOA like the Crusader PND is currently perceived

Only because people snivelled and demanded an FRT. You idiots are your own worst enemies.
See above about 1903 Springer mod.

 

[Victory Ridge Sportsman]

While the FRT is not a requirement by law, it is the responsiblity of the manufacturer to ensure the firearm is being produced and sold according to the correct classification. The Renegade and Maverick are non-restricted bolt action rifles. If they are specifically altereted to operate semi-automatic, how can anyone be certain they are still non-retricted firearms. It would seem that they would in fact fit the cireteri for the semi-auto gun ban as cited by Public Safety Canada below. There are over 4,000 Renegade and Maverick rifles currently in the Canadian market.

On May 1, 2020, the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted were amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1,500 models of firearms and their variants, along with upper receivers for some newly-prohibited firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

 

[Tokay444]

While the FRT is not a requirement by law, it is the responsiblity of the manufacturer to ensure the firearm is being produced and sold according to the correct classification. The Renegade and Maverick are non-restricted bolt action rifles. If they are specifically altereted to operate semi-automatic, how can anyone be certain they are still non-retricted firearms. It would seem that they would in fact fit the cireteri for the semi-auto gun ban as cited by Public Safety Canada below. There are over 4,000 Renegade and Maverick rifles currently in the Canadian market.

On May 1, 2020, the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted were amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1,500 models of firearms and their variants, along with upper receivers for some newly-prohibited firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

Since there is no definition of "Assault-Style" in law, the Lockhart modded Renegade can't meet it, and therefore isn't prohibited simply by being semi-auto.

 

[old303]

"Large magazine capacity" is ambiguous because how big a magazine do you want? There's a wide array of STANAG magazines available around the world, ranging from 10-round LAR to drums that I've seen, unpinned elsewhere, pinned for the Canadian market, so what's really the capacity of a bare rifle? Does the magazine sold with it and pictured in its advertising have any bearing?

I still haven't seen a native 5-round STANAG magazine, as in that being its full unpinned capacity. Likewise there don't seem to be single-shot adaptors for this magazine format.

 

[tiriaq]

A FRT entry will be generated for the converted rifle. If it has not already been done. At that time a classification will be assigned. The classification will no doubt be decided upon based on the Government's "evergreen" policy. Sooner or later this will be published.

Because significant remanufacture of the receiver is involved, I very much doubt that a prohibited classification of the conversion would affect the non-restricted classification of the original manually operated rifle.
Ease of conversion is more or less defined by the Hasselwander ruling of the Supreme Court. The level of difficulty of conversion of this rifle far exceeds this standard.

 

[JeffMan]

A FRT entry will be generated for the converted rifle. If it has not already been done. At that time a classification will be assigned. The classification will no doubt be decided upon based on the Government's "evergreen" policy. Sooner or later this will be published.

Because significant remanufacture of the receiver is involved, I very much doubt that a prohibited classification of the conversion would affect the non-restricted classification of the original manually operated rifle.
Ease of conversion is more or less defined by the Hasselwander ruling of the Supreme Court. The level of difficulty of conversion of this rifle far exceeds this standard.

Damn that's a good summation. It's along the lines I was thinking too.

 

[Victory Ridge Sportsman]

Since there is no definition of "Assault-Style" in law, the Lockhart modded Renegade can't meet it, and therefore isn't prohibited simply by being semi-auto.

Lockharts proposed service would in fact make the firearm funciton in a "semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market."

There does not need to be a legal definition for "Assault-Style" for the RCMP to use this label and description to classify a firearm as prohibited. You can make assumptions and speculate all day but it does not change the fact that the Government has used this criteria to ban guns.

 

[apexanimal]

While the FRT is not a requirement by law, it is the responsiblity of the manufacturer to ensure the firearm is being produced and sold according to the correct classification. The Renegade and Maverick are non-restricted bolt action rifles. If they are specifically altereted to operate semi-automatic, how can anyone be certain they are still non-retricted firearms. It would seem that they would in fact fit the cireteri for the semi-auto gun ban as cited by Public Safety Canada below. There are over 4,000 Renegade and Maverick rifles currently in the Canadian market.

On May 1, 2020, the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted were amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1,500 models of firearms and their variants, along with upper receivers for some newly-prohibited firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

Thats the exact point. Regardless of whether or not its a good idea, a semi auto Renegade would be 100% legal according to the letter of the actual law. There is no law that banned "semi autos" or even semi autos that take AR magazines. The akdas alcor also fits the description of aSsAuLt wEaPoN so you may wanna be careful how you use smarmy liberal talking points as you increase their legitimacy every time you do so. There is literally a reason all of our guns had to be banned by OIC, because none of our guns were illegal in any way. If the argument is "oh but it will be made illegal anyway" then i have bad news for you, that logic can and will be applied to every single gun in this country. Won't be purchasing from you again, you seem to be more interested in enforcing the public safety ministers whims than firearms rights.

 

[apexanimal]

Lockharts proposed service would in fact make the firearm funciton in a "semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market."

There does not need to be a legal definition for "Assault-Style" for the RCMP to use this label and description to classify a firearm as prohibited. You can make assumptions and speculate all day but it does not change the fact that the Government has used this criteria to ban guns.

The akdas alcor literally meets every one of those descriptions and is NR. Maybe if you lick his boots harder the public safety minister will let you sell slingshots in the future.

 

[Ex3dy]

This firearm, as legally defined, does not incorporate a STANAG magwell.

 

[Tokay444]

Lockharts proposed service would in fact make the firearm funciton in a "semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market."

There does not need to be a legal definition for "Assault-Style" for the RCMP to use this label and description to classify a firearm as prohibited. You can make assumptions and speculate all day but it does not change the fact that the Government has used this criteria to ban guns.

If they are going to use a description as a basis by which to prohibit things, then that description absolutely needs a definition in law.

 

[b-wingpilot]

That worked oh so well for the Crypto and the (Turkish grey-import) Sterling R9, look where they've ended up after being sold without FRT entries.

Modifying the Renegade at this level is basically remanufacturing like many others have said, with the upper half of the Renegade being the serialized firearm. Also comparing this to the Pederson device feels shallow since that's a (rare and scarcely ever seen) drop-in conversion and not a permanent modification to the firearm as a whole, just to make a case for changing action types "legally".
If Lockhart *really* wanted to keep their nose clean they could just make another semiauto themselves from scratch, much like the Crypto, instead of overhyping a conversion service of dubious legality and overhyping their own straight-pull/lever/pump rifle likely to be DOA like the Crusader PND is currently perceived

A permanent modification to the 1903 must be done in order for it to function with the semi-auto Pedersen device…

Why argue against this with vagaries and incorrect facts? Do you work for the RCMP SFSS? Lol