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Bearing in mind that this subject is something I have little skill or experience in, I am not hopelessly ignorant of terminology, and telescope components. I am interested in purchasing a telescopic site for a rifle I intend on target shooting up to 1000 yards. Targets of paper and groundhog... Particular interest in magnification required to allow engagement of these targets at maximum distance, what focal plane the reticle would reside, and recommended brands.

The magnification should be such that the crosshairs would not obscure the intended target so this presents the question of what range of magnification would be ideal for distances between 100 and 1000 yards? I'd like to see a groundhogs head, with the crosshair on it's chest, or the rings on a bullseye. Which presents the next question: Range estimation. It would be desirable to have a milldot or similar reticle for estimating range, and doubling as holdover and windage dots, however depending on the focal plane of the reticle, it seems one cannot have his cake and eat it too. In SFP, the milldot is not accurate at all magnifications, whereas in FFP it is. However, if FFP is adopted in telescope, to what degree does the crosshair appear to "expand" therefore potentially obscuring the target, as I mentioned above and to an undesirable point? I don't need to verify that a woodchuck's eyes are brown when aiming at it.

So basically, anyone who does this often enough to share their knowledge and recommendations on magnification range, their observations on focal plane pros and cons I would be grateful. Second, someone will likely ask for price range: Preferred scope would be made in Europe or United States(don't think Canada has a manufacturer) and this will increase the price, on top of the expense of having a target scope with exposed turret adjusters: After zeroing, any wind or elevation changes, scope will return to zero without having to remember clicks etc. obviously parallax adjustment. Milldot, or similar proprietary reticle would be used in conjunction with or without the temporary scope adjustments as situation warrants. So I know price would exceed 1000.00 and keeping it within reason :redface: 1500? If they are all outsourced, what does it matter if I simply purchase a Bushnell elite that is Japanese made, and disregard the added 700.00 for the name or logo?

Having studied potential calibers for this to reside on, my first choice would be a 270win (sentimentality) but with a lack of match grade bullets, I would lean toward a 6.5 X 55 and it's host of options, reasonable power for small targets up to deer if needed.
 
You're going to get lots of recommendations for Sightron, in your price range. Slightly above, go Nightforce. Slightly below, Bushnell would be one of several contenders but their reticles tend to be on the chunky side.

Go look at those names' websites to find their reticles.

8X32 (magnification range) X56 (objective size, in mm) will be a common recommendation.

I've had Bushnells and 1 Nightforce. There is a world of difference in the glass, explaining the aprox triple price. All day long, it is worth it. I have my first Sightron incoming so can't directly comment but they get TONS of kudos for being about as clear as a Nightforce, but not as heavyweight.

6.5x55 is an EXCELLENT cartridge in a modern rifle. Probably have to go in a long action if you want to magazine feed (as opposed to single feeding) due to mag length.
 
Cant go wrong with a Sightron, my Big Sky is not my most expensive one but sure is one of my favorite, the reticule is so slim just is perfect to put the dot in the middle of the reticule on the groundhog head... JP.
 
You may want to take a look at the review I did ( stickied at top of page ). Within your price range, I would recommend the Sightron Siii 8-32x56 or a NF Benchrest 12-42x56 ( may be a wee bit above your top end pricewise ).
 
You may want to take a look at the review I did ( stickied at top of page ). Within your price range, I would recommend the Sightron Siii 8-32x56 or a NF Benchrest 12-42x56 ( may be a wee bit above your top end pricewise ).

I'm not opposed to suggestions exceeding 1500: I just didn't make myself clear about the "keeping it within reason" part. I'll check this out, as well as the other suggestions.
 
Tomochan, I couldn't find your review at the top of the page: Is it hidden within one of the lengthy stickies? The Nightforce looks very appealing to me, but the reticle options have provided quite a bit of choice. Sightron, being a little bit cheaper, also appear to be fine. Why do manufacturers put illuminated reticles on telescopes that don't need them? It is difficult to see a woodchuck at 100yards in dark conditions, but add the illuminating reticle, the light produced would there not be a tendency to attract the eye away from the target? My eyes are fine and even with my inexpensive Simmons Aetec, I have never had issues seeing the crosshairs in low light. Illuminated reticles are an expense I don't need, wouldn't use and therefore don't want to buy. Is this a recent fad, or do people find these reticles to be helpful?

I've spent hours examining the websites of many manufacturers and it seems most use Japanese lenses and tubes, although the other components are made and entirely assembled in the US. I am not opposed to such a telescope considering that in my search, a similar Zeiss telescope (better be made entirely in Germany) costs around 3100.00 before tax. See how things go when season picks up again.

It occured to me to try youtube for my question about FFP and SFP and a video by 'CanPopper' answered my question about FFP at high magnification and the reticle obscuring the target: Unless someone can provide evidence against, I am becoming set on a FFP reticle although they tend to cost more.
 
Swfa

no one seems to know about the SWFA "Super Sniper" scope. several fixed power models are available for $300, they're rated for .50 BMG recoil, have gotten great reviews, and have the attention of the U.S. gov't. [the dept. of the navy has contracted to SWFA to supply their scopes, i suspect for use by seals and usmc scout-snipers]. i haven't tried one myself, as i'm not yet ready to make the financial commitment to get into long range shooting, but i'd say these are worth a look...

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-MOA-Scopes-C4226.aspx
 
Ssorry - sticky I spoke of is at top of page in precision rifle forum.

Okay, thank you for the thorough review of your experiences. Given that it was posted in November, 2011 is your opinion of Leopold unchanged? More specifically in regards to a target scope of the Mk 4 line? One comment you made is the possbility of Leopold, Sightron, NF etc. having glass from the same source, while S&B makes their own: Is this glass sourced from Japan, similar to Bushnell etc.? I've spent many hours in the past twenty-four pouring over sites and opinions across the net, and naturally I would love to get the S&B but have difficulty explaining the expense for something I probably won't use to make a living, so this rules out Zeiss etc. down to the half way range of Leopold and NF... half a$$ed(cost wise) if you will :rolleyes: (I'm gonna get flamed for that pun) I'm trying to line up my ducks in a row, seeing that I probably won't be getting the best, I have no interest in "tacticool" as I have never been "cool" from when I took my first breath, nor do I care; I desire practicality, reliability and all that other "boring" predictable stuff.

Seems my one unanswered question from the original post is given the range, what magnification is not enough, and what is too much for the intended small targets?
 
Night force bench rest models will likely give you the absolute best value for your $$$$. 500-1000 less than the nxs depending on options and every bit as clear.
 
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