Long Range Hunting - see Page 16 for Riflechair addition

Excellent post Riflechair my sentiments exactly. :)

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Gatehouse said:
The problem isn't long range hunting, the problem is the hunters shooting beyond thier ability. This could be true for 50yards or 500 yards...
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Well said as well, and methinks the use of scopes these days is playing into a large part of this for some people.

And money spent on ones hunting rig will not buy oneself skill.
Skill as a marksman is only earned through a lot of practice and effort at the range.

Furthermore I wish here in Canada had a mandatory Stalking course like they do in the UK. If you can't prove that you can't do tracking, range estimation, and be able to hit a target in real conditions then stay home and take up knitting.
 
The problem isn't long range hunting, the problem is the hunters shooting beyond thier ability. This could be true for 50yards or 500 yards...
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Well said,shoot within your own ability,and the ability of your equipment,and there won't be any problems.
 
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Calum said:
Well said as well, and methinks the use of scopes these days is playing into a large part of this for some people.
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Probably got more to do with TV and movies than a scope. Scopes on rifles have been common for a long time now.

Furthermore I wish here in Canada had a mandatory Stalking course like they do in the UK. If you can't prove that you can't do tracking, range estimation, and be able to hit a target in real conditions then stay home and take up knitting.
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It woudl be one more nail in the coffin for hunting. Also, where would a beginner learn these tracking skills so he coudl pass the test? Watch an instructional video?:p
 
While long range "poke & hope" shooters are to be disdained so are the 2 or 3 cartridge per year shooters that can't hit a deer in the lungs at 50 yards offhand.

I personally think there are a lot more of the latter types in the bush than self-proclaimed extreme range "snipers".
 
'Boo said:
While long range "poke & hope" shooters are to be disdained so are the 2 or 3 cartridge per year shooters that can't hit a deer in the lungs at 50 yards offhand.

I personally think there are a lot more of the latter types in the bush than self-proclaimed extreme range "snipers".
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BULLSEYE!

They are also the people that never buy gunclub member ships and shoot the crap out of our target mounts. There is no accounting for these people other than to call them out and talk to them when you see them active on the firing line.

They usually don't have a clue about individual safety precautions or range rules. Pay attention to these people. Ask them if they have a club membership. I'm willing to bet they don't. Tell them they're trespassing and if they want to continue shooting bring their club card with them.

Sorry, another pet peeve of mine however I think these are the same people I was referring to above.
 
Gatehouse said:
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It woudl be one more nail in the coffin for hunting. Also, where would a beginner learn these tracking skills so he coudl pass the test? Watch an instructional video?:p
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Their is lots of info available.

Also clearly our current system isn't working given the amount of boneheads out there these days.

It's only a matter of time.
 
Very interesting topic indeed. However, I have been "moderate - long " range hunting for some time. The land and area around is the biggest thing to consider here. I live in the flats. if my dog runs away I can watch her run away for a mile. so trying to "stalk" a whitetail .... well... not really possible. However in the "bush" is a very different situation. Downside to the guys who "long RANGE" shoot like was said earlier do not take into considerations the field conditions, temp, rain, wind, humidity, and "bullet drop " at the long ranges, at wich the short 150 yrd - 300yrd shooters do not have to take as seriously. Those who actually take the time to practice time after time and day after day in field conditions for longer range shots.. ALL THE POWER TO YA! and good luck.
 
I too believe that age has a great deal to do with the range of shot one should be taking. Although I have never been a long range shooter I find as I get older I am getting less and less comfortable at distances.

Pretty soon I'll just have to hit them over the head with a hammer.

KTK
 
I've found that one thing that contributes to people trying to take crazy long shots is them looking at the animal through their scope, usually on maximum magnification, and deciding, based on this view, that this is a doable shot. Very bad idea. Look at the animal with the naked eye and decide if you can make the shot, then use your scope to actually make the shot. With more and more guys out hunting with 6-24x50mm scopes and so on, this seems to be getting worse, if you ask me.
 
I get a kick out of getting close. I've been 40 yds from California Bighorns! Took me a few hours to get there very slowly but fun as hell!
And then I have friends who "bust em down" as they put it. Just keep hitting them until they go down no matter where they hit them. Shoot at any range even though they can't shoot or should be shooting.
When did the word "HUNT" get taken out of hunting? Too many magazines talk the"bullsh*t" of long range shooting at real live game. If you are going to target shoot KEEP it at the range.
99.9% of all the animal I have shot were under 200 yds.
 
Charlie38 said:
I get a kick out of getting close. I've been 40 yds from California Bighorns! Took me a few hours to get there very slowly but fun as hell!
And then I have friends who "bust em down" as they put it. Just keep hitting them until they go down no matter where they hit them. Shoot at any range even though they can't shoot or should be shooting.
When did the word "HUNT" get taken out of hunting? Too many magazines talk the"bullsh*t" of long range shooting at real live game. If you are going to target shoot KEEP it at the range.
99.9% of all the animal I have shot were under 200 yds.
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When did the HUNT get taken out of hunting?
Something like a year ago I started a thread on this subject. Basically, I got well shot down! Some of our great hunters on here could see no more sense of achievement, by tracking a moose all day, then shooting it at 2:30 in the afternoon, than they could out of jumping out of their truck and shooting him.
Moose are extremely hard to hunt while one is on foot, tracking them. So is a smart old white tailed buck and all elk. To a person with the spirit of the hunt in him, taking on game in the field, in a method that pits your skill against that of the animal, is tremendously enjoyable. You can be very proud of taking a good animal under those conditions. I have also actually laughed out loud, with a great amount of admiration for him, when an animal outsmarted me at my game! The old time Indian hunters could sneak up on game under virtually any condition, getting close enough that they very seldom required more than one shot from their beat up old 30-30, 32-40 or maybe a 38-55.
I too, have jumped out of vehicles and killed game. But I was never proud of myself for it.
The question was "When," did the hunt go out of hunting. I would say, at least in BC, it started about forty years ago, when the bush began to be opened up by logging roads.
 
I've shot game out to almost 400 yards (385), never needed to shoot further, but practice has shown that I could shoot further at game if conditions were right.

On many occasions, I've crept up close enough to bears and deer that I could quite literally stab them with a spear.

I've call din coyotes and had them appear so close I could have spat on them, and I've shot yotes at 200 or more yards.

In 2007 I shot a buck at the aforementioned 385 yards.

In 2008 I shot a buck at 20 paces.

Ironically, I took both shots on deer from almost the exact same spot, using the same rifle and scope.

I get excitement and a sense of accomplishment in calling in an animal exciting. I get excitement and a sense of accomplishment in stalking in close to an animal and I get excitement and a sense of accomplishment in making a perfect shot at longer range on an animal.

To me, they are all equally valid, and the only time I will cry foul is if someone is shooting beyond their skill level.


I've taken great pleasure in catching fish using a fly rod and bait gear, too.;)
 
Moose are extremely hard to hunt while one is on foot, tracking them. So is a smart old white tailed buck and all elk. To a person with the spirit of the hunt in him, taking on game in the field, in a method that pits your skill against that of the animal, is tremendously enjoyable. You can be very proud of taking a good animal under those conditions. I
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You can also be very proud of taking an animal under many other conditions such as calling then into range,or scouting an animal,then patterning that animal and finding a good stand to ambush him from.Your way is not the only ethical way to hunt.
 
Everybody's got an opinion. Here's mine.

Hunt up close, hunt long range, just know your limits. I know people that hunt at extreme ranges and of course others that hunt up close. Anyone spreading a message that extreme long range hunting is unsportmanlike or unethical is somewhat biased and uninformed.

Plenty of people from different hunting philosophies wound game, up close or far off.

People who think that you have to stalk game to be a real hunter are on crack. Come to Saskatchewan an look out at nothing but flat grassland for 3 klicks and see how close a whitetail lets you wander. Sometimes you can't get close, and if you can still drop it quick with a well placed shot, do it. If not, go elsewhere. Perhaps hunting might mean getting to know your absolute effective killing range. For some that is beyond 600 meters. And as I have seen many people who couldn't estimate range if their life depended on it, I do know many that possess range finding equipment and the ability to harvest game at very considerable range. Sadly there are those that don't know their "come-ups" and believe that their cannons are unbeatable. But who are we to judge?
 
H4831 said:
When did the HUNT get taken out of hunting?
Something like a year ago I started a thread on this subject. Basically, I got well shot down! Some of our great hunters on here could see no more sense of achievement, by tracking a moose all day, then shooting it at 2:30 in the afternoon, than they could out of jumping out of their truck and shooting him.
Moose are extremely hard to hunt while one is on foot, tracking them. So is a smart old white tailed buck and all elk. To a person with the spirit of the hunt in him, taking on game in the field, in a method that pits your skill against that of the animal, is tremendously enjoyable. You can be very proud of taking a good animal under those conditions. I have also actually laughed out loud, with a great amount of admiration for him, when an animal outsmarted me at my game! The old time Indian hunters could sneak up on game under virtually any condition, getting close enough that they very seldom required more than one shot from their beat up old 30-30, 32-40 or maybe a 38-55.
I too, have jumped out of vehicles and killed game. But I was never proud of myself for it.
The question was "When," did the hunt go out of hunting. I would say, at least in BC, it started about forty years ago, when the bush began to be opened up by logging roads.
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Well said. :)
 
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