Long Range Precision Rifles

Which one is more accurate out to 1000 yards...And is 308 ok or should I use 300 wm

  • Savage 10 FCP 300 Win Mag

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Savage 10 FCP 308

    Votes: 21 27.3%

  • Savage 10FP 308

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Savage 110 FP 300 Win Mag

    Votes: 9 11.7%

  • Remington 700 R5 Milspec 308 Win

    Votes: 35 45.5%
  • Total voters
    77
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Looking for the gun with the best accuracy out of the BOX....
Now between the FCP and the FP is the only real accuracy improvement factor the stock on the rifle...(I would rather save the money and by a chote)

And is 1000 yards Pushing it for a 308 is it better to get a 300 win mag
 
Guerrilla said:
Looking for the gun with the best accurcy out of the BOX....
Now between the FCP and the FP is the only real accurcy improvement factor the stock on the rifle...(I would rather save the money and by a chote)
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I would go for the model 12 savages. target action target accutrigger. to anwer your question, there is no answer. all of the above will do the job nicely, as long as you do.
 
All of those would be more than acceptable out of the box for 1000yard.
As for which one is more accurate that is a hard one to answer to be honest. Mechanical accuracy and true accuracy are two different things.
I have had experience with a few of the above rifles and I (remember this is my personal experience) found the Remington to be more accurate. This could be due to a number of things as I did not shoot the rifles back to back they were shot at least 6 months apart.
I think you will find that any of the above rifles will work great for you. I would stick to .308 however as you will se a longer barrel life out of it, cheaper to reload and easier on you as a shooter unless you intend to hunt with it at those ranges, if so go with 300WM.

Tim
 
how much more power does a 300 have over a 308 at 1000 yards Im just worried about pushing the limits of a 308 where maby a 300 mag will be better suited but is it too much???
 
300 has a whack more power and is a much better LR hunting rifle than a 308. But seeing as 1000 yard ranges are rare, most of your shiooting will be under 500. For that reason you would be better served with a 308. Plus a 308 will last longer and tolerate more shooting before you have to let it cool. Lots of good match bullets and data for the 308 and lots of info on shooting it to 1000 yards. Plus the 308 is easier on both your shoulder and wallet.

I'd recommend the Savage F/TR.
 
Google "Palma Shooting", .308 (and .223 now) are the only calibers allow. Palma course of fire is 2 sighters and 15 for score at 800, 900 and 1000 yards.
 
Should have added "They all shoot the same" as a poll category, because that is a fact. The other fact is none of them are "precision" rifles. they are factory sporter rifles that will - with good loading and technique - deliver 1MOA or slightly better.

Some are very accurate, some are not, the majority fall in between.

As to caliber, if you have to ask, then go 308.
 
Guerrilla said:
well Blygy there are several differences bud..
Fluted Barrel
Stock
Muzzle break I believe
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All of which will not affect the accuracy of the rifle so based on your original question, they are the same accuracy wise.

Buy whatever floats your boat, as stated previously, you will either end up with a 5PM Friday Special, a 1 holer at all distances or most likely something in between.
 
I am a huge Savage fan but if you really want best accuracy from a factory rifle.

My odds would be on a Tikka Varminter in 6.5 Swede or 7RM. I have seen them perform amazingly well at 1000m.

If this is a question between Savage vs Rem, see line #1.

The 308 AND 300WM aren't the best ballistic offerings for the recoil, cost spent.

Jerry
 
This is not a contest or an arguement no need to feel like you need a rebutle and yes your right I did say only things that affect accuracy but I was just pointing them out.... And why are these not precision rifles ... What is then???
 
The 6mmbr, 260, or even a 6.5-284 are more what you are looking for if you want 1000 yard accuracy. The 308 is extremely accurate, but is a comparatively poor choice in the wind....1000 yards out.

The only reason you need a 300Win is if you intend to hunt at long range. If you intend to hunt at long range you will still need another rifle to practice with....200 rounds of 300Win will flat blur you vision....Not to mention taking a chunk out of your wallet.:D
 
Guerrilla said:
well Blygy there are several differences bud..
Fluted Barrel
Stock
Muzzle break I believe
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I own a 10 FCP and it has neither a fluted barrel nor a muzzle brake.

It does have an HS Precision stock, but the base model 10 FCP has effectively the same stock as a base model FP (save the inletting for the detachable mag).

And as to why they're not bona fide precision rifles, it's because 1 MOA or slightly better doesn't fit the description of "precision" for some people who are used to 0.1-0.5 MOA with amazing benchrest or tuned 'tactical' rigs.

I love my 10 FCP, but - assuming identical operator skill - I know it couldn't run alongside something like a PGWDTI Timberwolf or a Sako TRG-22 when shooting for groups at longer ranges.

Thing is, for $1,200 compared with $6,000, I think I got my money's worth for the 10 FCP with the stock upgrade.

-M
 
Guerrilla said:
.... And why are these not precision rifles ... What is then???
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Excellent question worthy of a serious answer. Thanks for asking!

Bear in mind this is a precision rifle forum and I am going to answer this within that context.

The single biggest determinant of potential precision (Precision actually defined in shooting as being able to place shots as close together as possible) is the barrel. The best hand loaded ammo in the nicest stock with the best shooter will not render precision results if the barrel is of poor quality.

Factory barrels are mass produced to a wide continuum of tolerances with results that range from "precision" (rare) to garbage (less rare) to everything in between. There are no structural differences between the barrels used on their chepaest hunting rifles to their "tactical" rifles except for the outside contour, and in the case of the Remington faux 5R, the shape of the lands. They are crude inside, many have incredible barrel run-out and few have been completely relieved of all stresses.

This is an excellent video on barrel quality... check this out. Although this depicts a Remington, I assure you, Savage are as bad or worse. This DOES NOT mean they do not shoot reasonable well, but it does mean that you would have to try 100 different rifles to find the one rifle that is capable of rendering precision.

Pimping of Savage over remington and vice versa is brand loyalty nonsense. These all shoot the same. My personal experience with Tikka supports Mystic's comments. I feel they produce the most consistently accurate rifles on the shelf

Find a rifle you find most comfortable. I am a precison junkie and an avid long distance competitive shooter. I absolutely do not advocate a magnum as a cartridge for someone just learning long range shooting. If you are shooting factory amo, go with a 223 or a 308, but factory ammo in a factory rifle is only going to produce mediocre results. If you want factory a 300WM rilfe and you want to shoot factory ammo, you are accomplishing very little in your long range shooting education.

I'll say it again, you cannot become a good long range shooter unless and until you master short range shooting. If you and your gun produce sloppy results at 100, it is going to be no less than 10 times worse at 1000.
 
Wow. Just wow.

Listen to what Obtunded says.

You can start with your factory barrel until you get to the point that you can shoot better than the gun can and then find a good smith in the area to spin a new barrel on it and do the regular tricks like pillar/bedding the action and tuning or upgrading the trigger.
 
I have a 10FP ( albeit in a different calibre ) mounted in a Choate stock and it is a very accurate rifle. I used to until recently own a R5 which was a consistent .75 moa rifle and was the choice I voted for. While none of the choices are true precision rifles, all are very good target/tactical set ups but there are better factory choices in the category that you may wish to consider if you have the budget and, of course, there are several custom shops that can build to suit.
 
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