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I am an avid pistol and AR shooter and owner. Over the years I have collected some interesting pieces, however i have never dabbled a whole lot in the art of long range shooting. I Purchased a pgw coyote in the .308 last year and had only a couple visits at the range with it. I ended up selling it as I received an offer I could not refuse.

A couple weeks ago I had the opportunity to shoot a 50cal and a pgw in the .338 lapua. Where the hell have these guns been all my life. I was instantly hooked. I didn't shoot very well but I am stubborn.

Since then I have been checking out some different setups. As much as I love the .50 i don't think I want to spend that much on a setup. I am aiming more towards the .338(also kicking myself for selling the .308) Ive checked out and read reviews on the savage110 ba, the trg42, the nemesis vanquish, and the macmillan tac 338. Id prefer to spend a little more money as I intend on keeping this rifle for a long time.... and I can't imagine that a .338 is something you cheap out on.

For all you avid long range shooters what would you recommend, any advice on what to look for? I assume it would be a good idea to try different models? I am looking at spending around 6-8k on the rifle. I want to keep the complete setup under 10k

Thanks for reading....
 
Ive been entertaining the idea of the pgw t wolf. just checking out all my options. I also looked at accuracy internationals 338.

There must be some long range shooters in the edmonton/sherwood park area. I have property I can shoot out at distance... are there any long rifle range clubs around?
 
My thoughts are: make sure you really want a .338 -many people decide down the road that a .308 is often a better choice. If you are set on a .338 a good, less expensive, choice is the Savage 110 BA but if you have the cash to spend the PGW Timberwolf has to be a top contender and would be my choice.
 
Tomochan said:
My thoughts are: make sure you really want a .338 -many people decide down the road that a .308 is often a better choice. If you are set on a .338 a good, less expensive, choice is the Savage 110 BA but if you have the cash to spend the PGW Timberwolf has to be a top contender and would be my choice.
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Timberwolf is the best choice!
 
I agree, I'm still not 100% set on the calibre, the 308 would be my next choice. I press my own 45 ammo so it would take me long to get set up for the .338.

338 just feels so good when you pull the trigger:D



Tomochan said:
My thoughts are: make sure you really want a .338 -many people decide down the road that a .308 is often a better choice. If you are set on a .338 a good, less expensive, choice is the Savage 110 BA but if you have the cash to spend the PGW Timberwolf has to be a top contender and would be my choice.
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....but .308 is a lot more cost effective and barrel life is going to be much better then the .338...

Not saying don't buy a .338, you just may want to buy an affordable caliber first instead of jumping into the $5 a booom club straight away...

Of all the options listed so far I must say the PGW offerings are ahead of the rest on my list...
 
I spotted for a .338 LM two weeks ago. That bad boy had a heckuva a bark from the muzzle brake. A .308 Win was a positive pfft! compared to the .338LM.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
....but .308 is a lot more cost effective and barrel life is going to be much better then the .338...

Not saying don't buy a .338, you just may want to buy an affordable caliber first instead of jumping into the $5 a booom club straight away...

Of all the options listed so far I must say the PGW offerings are ahead of the rest on my list...
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I agree on the pgw, my previous pgw .308 was a beautiful piece, I wish I would of spent more time with it. Regardless of what caliber I chose I will eventually and up with both.... part of it comes down to what I can get a better deal on what I want and when. As much as testimonials persuade my decision along with the reviews I've read I personal love the mean look of the nemesis and base my decision on aesthetics as well.
 
buy a nemesis with the 260, 308 and 338 barrels and then make sure you write an extensive review and post it online , as they are quire hard to come by.

main reason I suggest this is I would like a nemesis but don't have enough info on them, for me to take the plunge.
 
caustic said:
buy a nemesis with the 260, 308 and 338 barrels and then make sure you write an extensive review and post it online , as they are quire hard to come by.

main reason I suggest this is I would like a nemesis but don't have enough info on them, for me to take the plunge.
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Ill buy the nemesis in the .338, you buy the remainder of the barrels, I will write an extensive review the give your barrels back and keep the barrel I like the best.
 
If you want a really nice top of the line super rifle, you should buy yourself the best 338, 50BMG etc that appeals to you. What you have in mind sounds reasonable to me.

If you also want to learn how to shoot well at long range, you should buy yourself another rifle too, in addition to the aforementioned "super fun rifle". You can buy this "learning rifle" at the same time, though there are some advantages to buying it first (one of them being that after you've fired a few thousand rounds through it it might help you better decide exactly what you want in your "super fun rifle").

If you are (or are interested in being) a serious accuracy-oriented reloader of rifle ammunition, there are quite a few choices for this "learning rifle", but the best two I can recommend are a fast-twist .223 or a medium-twist .308Win. If you are going to reload your rifle ammo only to keep things affordable, i.e. you reload to shoot and you'd like to avoid making reloading a hobby in itself, that narrows things down considerably - the only really smart choice would be a .308Win. There is good accurate factory match ammo suitable for long range available for .308 (though it is expensive), and handloading long range match ammo for .308W is more straightforward than most other cartridges.

A .308Win (and if you are a precision reloader, a fast-twist .223) are not ###y choices. But they are fully adequate for shooting out to 1000 yards, and have many advantages over higher performance calibers such as .243 Win, .260 Rem, 6.5-.284, .300 Mag, etc.

* very long barrel life

* more easily achievable top-notch accuracy (you can't learn with an inaccurate rifle!)

* with the correct bullet choice, their ballistic performance is sufficient for shooting out to 1000y

* at the same time, their lower (than .260 Rem etc) ballistic performance is actually an _asset_ when it comes to learning how to shoot at long range, what the wind does, how groups form, how to get the best results under a given set of conditions.

If you learn how to shoot a .223/.308 such that you can hit anything, every time at 600 yards and most of the time at 1000 yards, you will be able to take a .338 or a .50BMG and be able to perform similarly at 1000 yards and 1500 yards. More than just delivering shots safely and controllably from these big boomers, you will be able to deliver long range shots masterly.
 
My vote would be for a nice kit in .300 Win mag.

Range operator limitations with .338 and .50 are pretty difficult to overcome....most often the comment is " not welcome" due to danger trace, and a lot of us do not have access to private straight line 4km clear field of fire, or keys to a commercial gravel pit.
 
Don't start LR Shooting with a .338 all your doing is wasting your time and money IMO. I would get a sako TRG22 or a PGW Coyote. .308 is a great cartridge to start on, and once you get good with it, than get a .338. Th nice thing with the TRG and coyote is that the .338 versions are the same rifles only larger, so your practicing on the same platform.

Read these articles
http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

Jack
 
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600+ to what?

a good .223 can get you out past 1000. a 308 WILL get to a mile accurately if you can read the wind, and a .338lm will take you past 2000.

if realistically you plan to shoot 600-1000 and not much more, then as cool as a .338lm is its excessive! and it will cost to much in the long run. at about 1.50 a shot when reloading a day of shooting eitehr gets real expensive or real short, for that same cost you could shoot 4 shots of .223 with high end components (reloading of course) and have alot more trigger time.


i have a .338lm with top glass on it, and honestly it sits in my safe. why?? i can afford to shoot it all day, i have reloaded enough ammo to do so. so why does it sit? lack of places to really use it, shoot the distance i have acces too with my .223 or .308 is much more enjoyable , i love the challange of reading the wind, taking into acount otehr atmospheric conditions etc, and the .338 doesnt offer that to me. shooting a 338 at 1000 is like shooting a .223 at 100, it really doesnt offer much otehr then just pulling the trigger.


thats just my opinion, SO! with a 10k budget you have alot of room to play with so if you can i would handle as many as your options as you possible can, and see what fits you, for me i would be goin with the PGW, or the TRG bth have out standing track records. have you considered a custom build? yes it takes a bit longer to have in you hands but generally speaking you get more rifle for your money.

on a side ote you said 6-8 for the rifle and 10g all in, if i were you i would aim closer to 6 for the rilfle and splurge for a S&B scope, yes there are otehr "best bang for the buck" scopes out there but none of them in my opinion can hold a candle to the S&B after buying my first one it converted me and they are all i will run on my rifles now, and all rifles are slowly being upgraded to them
 
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