Long range scope recomendation

Jesus.C

Jesus.C

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Hi cgn. I getting more into precision shooting and I would like to invest in a good glass but right now im overwhelm with all the option out there. Im a buy once, cry once kinda guy but I dont want to overspent on thing that I dont need. I have surface knowledge when it come to optic but not so much field experience with a plethora of them. So im having a hard time seeing the difference between glass quality from online reviews and what is whort it.

Right now im using a vortex viper 2.5-10x44 in moa, on a .308 remington in a accuracy international chassis. I have no parralax knob and a plain cross air.

What Im looking is the following features:

-Parralax knob
-First focal plan
-MRAD knob and reticle
-I would like your input on what kind of reticle I should be looking. I was thinking about one with simple mildot but im open to suggestion
-Higher magnification * I would also like your input on what I should be looking (4-20?, 4x-25?) Is there any downside beside weight and price to high magnification optic?

I plan on mostly using it on a 308 rifle but if I ever wanted to extend my range pass a 1km I would like a glass suited for that. Im not set on anybrand but im seeing alot of prs guys with nightforce and swarovski.

Thank you for your help.
 
I'm currently using a march 4.5x-28x52 on my range toy and shooting out to 1400m. Don't feel under optic with it at all. I purchased this model for its smaller footprint, with all the options still on it. FML-3 reticle

https://marchscopes.com/scopes/d28hv52wfiml/

Me personally, I prefer an uncluttered reticle, and don't really like the christmas tree type, unless I have no other choice.

I also use a zeiss LRP 5-25x 50 on my 22 that I use to shoot out to 500m. If you don't mind a heavier optic, and bit larger footprint the LRP 6-36 x56 might be and option as well. Heavier optic usually helps with felt recoil, which helps to see your hits out there.

I have heard good reviews of the sightron models, and wouldn't be afraid to use them either. I have used an stac on a previous 22, and really enjoyed the glass clarity on it for the price point.

https://www.tesro.ca/optics-sights/riflescopes/sightron-sviii-ffp-5-40x56-ed-irlrm-zero-stop.html

Both march and sightron have bigger zoom scopes, it you want more.

I use a ZCO 4-20 for my hunting rifle, so can compare the optics quality of the march and the zeiss lrp first hand. It is a step above the lrp and march I have. The ZCO also have an option for 5-27 or 8-40 if you have an open budget and enjoy alpha glass. The march or the sightron will get you there cheaper.

Apex also comes up in a number of reviews as well with high praise. I did look at that option, but did want something with a smaller footprint so opted with the march I now have.

4-20 or less will get you out to 1km on steel with ease, and you won't need more for that. Me, I like zoom, so try and find something with more for more precision work or going further.


Any of these above will be better than the optic you are using now, for what its worth. Just have to set a limit of what you want to spend, then find out what is available in that price range, and start looking for options from there on zoom, physical size.
 
You can't always get what you want,Rolling Stones

I suggest you go to PrecisionRifleBlog.com.
You will find comparison reviews of scopes. Very useful. This is a competition focused site so the approach is what I like to say "gamey" vs. the tacticool sites. Very helpful info I have found, but like the earlier reply said you need to set your price parameters, do you want to spend <$2,000 or do you want to spend Tangent Theta money $6-8,000?
Do you want to get what you need or what you want;)
 
wish I could be of more help, but I just keep running a Match Pro until it doesn't cut it anymore
reticle type is driven by whether you are holding or dialing
 
Thank for all the reply. I was planning on speending between 1500$-3000$ For this optic. I will give a good look at model and links suggest above.

Im also not sure if I should go for a christmas tree sight, I leaning toward a sober sight.
 
opinion of a novice here.
If possible , at your local range, just see what different high end scopes guys are using. Ask nicely if you can take a look through them and see what you like or dont like.
Lots of little things, like firmness/mushiness of each click of the adj knobs? high mag. bluriness/distortion? Usefullness/clutter of reticle to your taste?

$3k leaves alot of good scopes available to you. I ended up going with APEX rival.
 
I have seen tons of lower power scopes in my club people were using in combination with spotting scopes to check the POI. WTH ... buy a high power scope at a first step and less things to drag with you.
Me personally I like to zoom in to a ring center (100-300 M) so I can see the .22 holes on the paper without removing my eye from the glass.
What was that saying?
Aim small - miss small ...
The best value is in mid priced Tier1 - Japanese glass comes to mind first ... a $1K jump in price a novice cannot recognize looking through the scope.
Second, I got all my scopes from EU, saved a lot.
 
Disclosure - I am a dealer for these brands

Athlon:
Helos BTR Gen2 6-24X56 34mm tube... under $900 and punches way above its price point. If you want to spend more, by all means. I run several of these for my LR rimfire and centerfire (PRS) rifles. I have no issues shooting this towards 1 mile. I have sold a bunch for LR rimfire PRS competitors with overwhelmingly positive feedback. No other shooting game demands more for tracking and repeatability

Ares ETR 4.5-30 Chinese ED glass. My primary competition scope

Cronus BTR g2 Japanese ED glass. Very popular with those that don't want Chinese stuff

Delta:

Javelin... cousin to the Ares ETR. Less money, more accessories in the box. Euro warranty
Stryker HD... cousin to the Cronus BTR G2. similar money, more stuff in the box. Euro Warranty

All the above track, tracking match the reticle precisely, adjustments are smooth and easy. Excellent glass. Pick features and price point - all under your budget.

If I can help, pm or email.

Jerry
 
gaudzy said:
Arkens are a good entry level scopes, i have 2 of them and love them. Can't get better bang for your bucks for that price.
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I agree with you.
Arken EP5 5-25x56 MIL scope has so far been amazing. (Although I haven’t used “top tier” optics)
I am very happy with the scope, turrets, holds zero on .308.

SUPER HAPPY!
 
One scope ive been eyeing is the Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50. Its right in my price range and I like the warranty that come with vortex. Its seem to have everything im looking for, except maybe the reticle. But none of you have mention it, (its in the buyer guide link above). Perhaps there is something im missing here?

The arken seem to also fit the bill but one thing im always trying to look for is resellability. Im not sure that arken scope are sought after.
 
The Razor LHT is designed to be more of a dedicated hunting scope as opposed to a long range target scope. As a hunter, weight is a big factor, so this scope cuts down on that.

For PRS/steel target shooting it would be hard to beat a used Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x. They can be found quite regularly in the 2500-2750 range nowadays.

A christmas tree reticle is nice to have, but not really necessary. In a match scenario, you dial 95% of your shots so it's quite rare you need to hold over. Most of the Long range scopes come with a tree reticle, it's just a matter of how busy you want it. A HORUS reticle has way too much going on for my liking. The Vortex EBR reticles are quite nice for overall usability.
 
Jesus.C said:
One scope ive been eyeing is the Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50. Its right in my price range and I like the warranty that come with vortex. Its seem to have everything im looking for, except maybe the reticle. But none of you have mention it, (its in the buyer guide link above). Perhaps there is something im missing here?
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I think these are the ones that limit your turret movement after you set the zero stop, so long range shooting gets limited fast.


I'm into 3 plus revolutions with the LRP3 I use on the 22, and not many scopes can do that, forget about even doing it with any repeatability.

Roughly 13.5 MRAD of adjusting on the March scope to get out to 1400 M, and that is using a 30 moa canted rail. (about 47MOA equivalent) Try that on most scopes and see how repeatable they are.
 
Clocked92 said:
The Razor LHT is designed to be more of a dedicated hunting scope as opposed to a long range target scope. As a hunter, weight is a big factor, so this scope cuts down on that.

For PRS/steel target shooting it would be hard to beat a used Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x. They can be found quite regularly in the 2500-2750 range nowadays.

A christmas tree reticle is nice to have, but not really necessary. In a match scenario, you dial 95% of your shots so it's quite rare you need to hold over. Most of the Long range scopes come with a tree reticle, it's just a matter of how busy you want it. A HORUS reticle has way too much going on for my liking. The Vortex EBR reticles are quite nice for overall usability.
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If I can find one use in that price range, its definetly something that would interest me. Brand new its out of my budget, but with the warranty I have no fear buying a used vortex.
 
How about "ARGOS BTR GEN2 10-40×56 BLR SFP MOA" seems a great value.
Can't see any in Canada, USA sources not shipping across the border not even a China rebrands, closest I have seen from Slovenia. Tinkering ordering or wait till November I will visit there in the neighbourhood may pickup one in my way back.
 
I have a sightron s111 with zero stop, illuminated, and the glass is exceptional. I cant speak to any of the others mentioned, but for the price point, I think Sightron 111's are terrific long range scopes, clicks are perfect for distances i have shot.
 
I've had 2 sightron sIII 6-24s, first was SFP second is FFP. sightron makes excellent scopes. I agree they are excellent scopes. The one and only gripe i have is the lack of reticle options. I sold my SFP, and have my FFP on my cz455 22lr.
 
"Buy once, cry once" is a great mantra but the reality is that since you're brand new to long range, the features that you want are likely to change as you get a better idea of what kind of long range shooting you want to do.

I have a few of the scopes mentioned in here (Vortex LHT 4.5-22 and Razor gen 2 and gen 3) and have had my fair share of other scopes that satisfy your basic requirements (FFP, mil/mil, etc). Reticle choice is a highly personal thing but in broad strokes, a more simple reticle is better suited to someone who will always dial elevation and a "tree" reticle is better for someone that will hold elevation (and wind) a lot. The Vortex EBR-7D reticle is a great compromise with all of the information you'd need to holdover but not as cluttered as something like a Horus H59 or Tremor. At the end of the day, time behind a scope will give you a better idea of what you like and don't.

If you're requirement is to be able to get prone behind your rifle and hit steel out to 1000m, most quality scopes will allow you to do that. You don't need huge magnification, people routinely shoot out that far at 10x but something like a 3-15/18 or 4-20, 5-25 etc is more common. Lets you have the high mag for zeroing and then you shoot more around 15x for a larger field of view.

There are many sub-niches that different scopes are aimed at so you kind of have to determine which features are important to you. For instance, the Razor LHT 4.5-22 is intended as a "crossover" scope, good for both hunting and "tactical" shooting, hence it's design is biased towards light weight (22oz) whereas the Razor gen 2 4.5-27 is strictly a "tactical" optic and weighs over double (48oz) what the LHT does. Both optics can still very easily be shot to 1000m, I do it with both regularly.
 
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