Longbranch?

stencollector said:
If you are talking about the 43 Long Branch sten housing, the reason the weld looks so good is because it isn't there. The 42 Long Branch housings were rough welded, and the welds were even cleaned up on most of the first 500 or so. After that the welds were left alone until around the 3L series, when the housing was made from a stamped and rolled sheet, vice the rectangular tube welded onto the round tube. I have had a 5L and a 7L series sten with the rough welds, but these were oddballs (someone reached the bottom of the parts barrel) and not the norm.
Along with the rolled housings, the receivers were also spotwelded on the later stens, vice the rough welds seen on the 42 dated guns.



Stencollector, you mean to say that some of them (housing sleeve _and_ tube) were made from a single piece of sheet metal? My mind can't picture the process involved in forming that... (could be part of the aging thing, I don't know...) :)


Intrepid
 
The mag. housing was formed from steel sheet. The welds run on the front and rear of the box, continuing to close the seam in the tubular portion. The welds are hard to see because they were cleaned up, and the mag. catch retainer covers the rear of the box, and the plunger/ratchet ass'y obscures the front. The earlier method was to weld a box to the tube. Not sure about LB production, but Mk. II main casing's tube could be seamless tube, seamed tube, or a rolled and welded pressing.
 
Long Branch Stens

tiriaq said:
The mag. housing was formed from steel sheet. The welds run on the front and rear of the box, continuing to close the seam in the tubular portion. The welds are hard to see because they were cleaned up, and the mag. catch retainer covers the rear of the box, and the plunger/ratchet ass'y obscures the front. The earlier method was to weld a box to the tube. Not sure about LB production, but Mk. II main casing's tube could be seamless tube, seamed tube, or a rolled and welded pressing.
I was told that the Long Branch Sten Guns had a higher quality of finish compared to the Brit made Sten.I had a chance to fire a LB Sten in Las Vegas last winter and i saw first hand the high quality welds and finish.
 
Tiriaq's description covers it perfectly.
In regard to finish, the Canadian stens were either a dark blue finish (very early), or a flat black. Post war, many Canadian stens were parkerized, along with British stens which were in Canadian service. These are the grey finish that so many people swear is the proper finish for a LB sten. There is a letter and two numbers stamped on the parkerized stens, usually on the mag housing, but occasionally on the trigger housing, which could be either inspector's numbers, or batch numbers during the refinishing process. I only find these numbers on the parkerised stens, be it British or Canadian made (but all out of Cdn service). Some of them even still have the origional finish on areas like under the mag release plate, which indicates that they weren't even fully dissassembled prior to parkerising.
Overall, the Canadian stens were a better finish, and the welds neater. Canada never went to either seamed tubing, or with the rolled and welded method, by what I have observed. The early rolled and welded stens were withdrawn from British service during the war, as the tubes were weak in the area of the trigger assembly, where insufficent material existed. I have seen a few of these complete canadian service, and all had buckling of the tube in that area. I guess the order to destroy them never made it to the canadian armourers.
Some of the rolled tubes had reinforcing plates spot welded to the sides of the trigger assembly. They also had an extra reinforcing plate added in between the plates forward of the sear. These did not have the weakness as the non-reinforced stens, and were not part of the recall.

Canadian stens were certainly finished more consistently. I have seen British stens blued, black, or parkerised, some of these were painted over, and some of them were simply paint over no real finish. But the variety of finishes on the British ones can be attributed to the number of different asssemble plants involved, and the pressures upon them to keep up production. Canada's single producer did not have to worry about air raids, raw material shortages, or losses of stores due to sinkings during shipping.
 
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