Looking at getting my first AR - A quick question
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Bolivar
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Norc makes 20in ARs too now, but if you are really intent on modifying a rifle, I would go elsewhere. Go with a north american brand. IRUNGUNS has used DPMS for cheap in addition to the Colts.
Exactly. My initial thought was to sdave up and get the upper,BCG, charging handle, glass/rings,Barrel, hanguard and what ever else before getting a lower. THat way i wouldn't have to wait for my damn Restricted license to arrive.
But even though i chose to get a NORC now, my next one WILL be built.
They do make em in 20 inches?? I don't beleive i've seen anyone in Canada sell those so far! But good to hear!
Also, is there a big difference between 1:7 twist vs 1:9?
Every barrel i see is usually 1:7, no matter the length so i'm wondering if there is anything to be concerned about.
Also, if it ever becomes available again, i'd be going with these:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-318-CIA-trade-in-DPMS-AR-15-Carbines-499-USD!!
Instead of Norinco. Used, but... damn they look sweet. Also, rifles are for shooting in my book. Not lookg pretty. So a nice finish is just a plus as long as it runs reliably.
And the finish can always get fixed up later anyways
Also, is there a big difference between 1:7 twist vs 1:9?
Every barrel i see is usually 1:7, no matter the length so i'm wondering if there is anything to be concerned about.
Also, if it ever becomes available again, i'd be going with these:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-318-CIA-trade-in-DPMS-AR-15-Carbines-499-USD!!
Instead of Norinco. Used, but... damn they look sweet. Also, rifles are for shooting in my book. Not lookg pretty. So a nice finish is just a plus as long as it runs reliably.
And the finish can always get fixed up later anyways
The military twist rate is 1:7 to accommodate long tracer projectiles. 1:9 is a better twist rate for us civvies, it'll shoot everything very well.
The Norinco 20" uppers are quite nice, just be advised that you might have trouble modifying some parts, as they're pretty solidly secured together, possibly even welded.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...t-The-A1-brought-up-to-speed-Update-on-post-1
Leverarms sells an A3 variant with gov't profile and flat top.
Read this article then ask yourself again if the XCR was a good choice. Keep in mind the rifle was cleaned once to date and had very few parts replaced. Here's the highlights but the whole article is worth a read. The rifle is now over 40K.
http://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/
"FILTHY 14
As of this writing, EAG students have 31,165 rounds downrange through Filthy 14. During this evaluation period, it was cleaned once (as in one time), at 26,245 rounds. The end result is that Rack #14 was—and remains—filthy. It is filthy because it has been shot at class. Only at class. Every round that has gone down that barrel has been fired at class, with an average of approximately 1,300 rounds every three days. It has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube (EWL)."
TDC
Faster twist rates (I.e. 1:7) are better for heavier gain bullets. If you want to shoot longer distances with say a 77 gr bullet then you will want 1:7. If you are going to be shooting 55 gr surplus then 1:9 is fine, probably even better than 1:7.
This is something that's come up often so far.. how bad is fitting aftermarket parts on Norincos?
No idea. Not a caliber i currently shoot
So in general, 1:9 is better? ok
NEA Pricing is interesting ill give you that.
Would you recommend getting a longer barrel as a first upgrade?
I don't mind a long barrel for bench rest shooting. I'm not doing 3 gun just yet
3gunners use 18 inch barrels, so...
Gunnerlove
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1/9 will stabilize 69gr SMKs and often stabilize 77gr SMKs. 1/8 will without any question.
To be blunt if you are looking at Norc and NEA you won't buy 77gr ammo.
do you mean cqb matches or 3 gun?
3 gun the rifle is usually sitting in a bucket next to the shooting station, you do have weird shooting positions maybe a bit of moving around, but from what ive seen no turning tight corners, unless its a special 3gun match in a "fun house" iraq style.
you have some long 200 yard shots to make, longer barrel helps when your breathing is racing and your heart is pumping.
I'm also looking for an AR for 3gun and im only considering 18 inchers. I have my Tavor for cqb.
New stuff will fit on just fine. It's getting the original stuff off that's the problem.
The 18" barrel thing is 1/2 due to US laws. Any RIFLE with a barrel shorter than 16" is considered a "Short Barrel Rifle" (duh) and is subject to a $200 tax, plus the BATFE approval. Has something to do with the 1934 Firearms Act in the US.
It also enables the shooter to use rifle-length gas systems, which are more reliable, easier on the receiver/buffer, AND have a softer recoil impulse, which makes it easier to get back on target for follow-up shots.
Shorter barrel rifles like our 14.5" M4geries
D) can be bought in the US, but there's that extra cost and paperwork.....I dropped an ALG trigger into my Norc with no issues. The handguards, pistol grip, and buttstock (go commerical diameter) can be issues for sure.
Shameless plug alert: Just buy my AR on the EE and be done with it
I'll be completely honest, buying used is NOT something i have considered...
I feel dumb right now.
