Looking for a plug for my 870

[3macs1]

That's one of the silliest things I've read on CGN... I'm sure I don't need to tell you just how silly that makes this statement but its pretty darn silly.
Many guys remove or lose the "mag tube spring retainer". Are they also in danger of a ticket from the C.O?



Sigh, yet another reason why you shouldn't take legal advice from the interwebs... Oh, and FYI hunting laws are provincial.

What ever. Guided for years mainly waterfowl and the laws for waterfowl are federal not provincial and seen guys charged with their little 5/16" dowels etc
99% of the time it will be waterfowl hunting when you will be checked
Your lack of experience is the only thing that is silly

 

[Kewl]

What ever. Guided for years mainly waterfowl and the laws are federal not provincial and seen guys charged
Your lack of experience is the only thing that is silly

Many waterfowl laws are federal... This you are correct about.

I'm yet to have a C.O. Take my gun apart.

Please guide me/us to the law that says your gun must be plugged with a factory plug... Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Ever wonder why those plugs are used? Why don't they just make a 2 round mag tube? What about welding a steel rod to the magazine tube cap and welding on the cap? That's right, they are made to be removed as they're only required for waterfowl.

Charging (most likely a fine but who's the experienced one here) a hunter who is following the law would be retarded... But I'm sure you know that. Maybe you could point me to a court case on that also, or is there one?

But hey, I've never been a bird guide... Maybe you can tell us where you did that once you come up with some written law.

 

[Kewl]

Oh and you didn't answer the last question... Do you also need a "mag tube spring retainer"? Lmfao.

 

[3macs1]

Many waterfowl laws are federal... This you are correct about.

I'm yet to have a C.O. Take my gun apart.

Please guide me/us to the law that says your gun must be plugged with a factory plug... Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Ever wonder why those plugs are used? Why don't they just make a 2 round mag tube? What about welding a steel rod to the magazine tube cap and welding on the cap? That's right, they are made to be removed as they're only required for waterfowl.

Charging (most likely a fine but who's the experienced one here) a hunter who is following the law would be retarded... But I'm sure you know that. Maybe you could point me to a court case on that also, or is there one?

But hey, I've never been a bird guide... Maybe you can tell us where you did that once you come up with some written law.

Can you read?? I never said factory plug. I said one that cannot be removed by removing the mag cap and tipping the gun
Never?? checked best to stay where you are and don't hunt waterfowl in other provinces. That is the only point I was making
try to keep up. Many waterfowl laws are federal??? that says it all to me. I'm done with your foolishness
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1035/page-6.html#h-11

Mag cap removal is not classed as dissembly. Keep shaking your head but not too hard

(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled; or

 

[Kewl]

Lol... I'm shaking my head. I feel bad for you as you clearly don't get it.

So, answer the question.... Do you need the mag tube spring retainer?

I'm also waiting for the written law, court cases and answer as to why they don't make water fowl guns with 2 round capacity as per your feeble interpretation of the law.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/alef-ewe/default.asp?lang=En&n=304CC675-1
Look at the bottom of the screen... See the links for different provinces? That's because not everything is the same...

 

[Kewl]

Oh, And here is the law as written.... See the unless dissasembled? That's the part where you REMOVE the magazine cap.


(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled; or

This makes me question if you've ever even seen an 870.... If one was to remove the magazine cap and "tip" the gun it would disassemble itself.

 

[Kewl]

Keep editing buds... Lets ask the next question you won't have an answer for... Where does it say magazine cap removal doesn't count as disassembly? I must have missed that, is it beside where it says you must have a magazine spring retainer?

 

[mosinmaster]

You could simply just put an o ring over the dowel like how Mossberg does it from the factory, and it doesn't fall out of the magazine when tipped. I think that satisfies both sides of the argument.

 

[3macs1]

You could simply just put an o ring over the dowel like how Mossberg does it from the factory, and it doesn't fall out of the magazine when tipped. I think that satisfies both sides of the argument.

Yep that would work. You can use whatever if it will hold just as long as when they remove the cap and give it a shake the plug doesn't come out. That is the only thing I was trying to make people aware of.
There is no argument here just comments from a member who has never been inspected by an officer that could and will press charges.
Nothing 40 years of waterfowl hunting and spending 6 days out of 7 days a week in a blind most fall seasons with exposure to many inspections won't cure.
It became a real issue here when steel shot was first introduced and guys were not getting their birds so decided to make easily removable plugs to get in more shots during a rally and since most could see what was coming for a mile around them with their blind in a grain field etc figured they would never get caught popping the plug in and out over a hunt. But some did get caught and charged and rightfully so . That is why we were told mag cap removal only was not classed as acceptable for dissembly and I can understand that with what they were up against
Cheers

 

[Kewl]

The bottom line here is this is some guy on the internees feeble interpretation of the law... Take it for what it is kids.

You don't need a mag spring retainer and you don't need a factory plug. Read the law and work it out for yourself.

 

[3macs1]

The bottom line here is this is some guy on the internees feeble interpretation of the law... Take it for what it is kids.

You don't need a mag spring retainer and you don't need a factory plug. Read the law and work it out for yourself.

Yes gentlemen from the guy and I quote

I'm yet to have a C.O. Take my gun apart.

Big time waterfowl hunter here with experience in how this law can be enforced

No matter the boys are much smarter here than risk a fine etc for such a small change in plug diameter to ensure you are legal. Once again never said a factory plug is needed and hope you like chasing the spring across the field with no retainer. OH BOY talk about KIDS

 

[Kewl]

So then... Why can't you do as I asked? Where is the written law that states.. Mag cap removal doesn't count as dissasembly? Where does it state you must have a magazine spring retainer? IT DOESN'T... This is why you are wrong. Prove different and I will apologize but you can't. You're fear mongering and making up laws as you go along.

My original offer to the O.P. stands... Send me your mailing address and I will send you a Remington factory plug. Plastic or wood, your choice.

 

[sunray]

As you may have noticed, you don't need the factory plug. Anything will do. Got out hunting one day and found mine was at home. Cut a piece of tree. About 6", for an 870, I think.

 

[Kewl]

Oh, while I'm at it... What about the express that don't come with a magazine spring retainer. Just that little plastic crown. It must be illegal to waterfowl with those guns.

 

[3macs1]

Oh, while I'm at it... What about the express that don't come with a magazine spring retainer. Just that little plastic crown. It must be illegal to waterfowl with those guns.

Too funny. Your knowledge of the rem 870's is priceless . The slot style retainer I assume you are talking about not the original round hole design???

 

[Kewl]

Too funny. Your knowledge of the rem 870's is priceless . The slot style retainer I assume you are talking about not the original round hole design???

Yup, that's just what I mean... The storey goes like this. A fellow lets call him young buck picks up a used express with a short barrel on it. He wants to go out hunting with a fellow like you, let's call this fellow uncle Elmer. Uncle Elmer knows that young buck has a good shot gun, it's an 870 ya know but that goofy short cylinder bore barrel ain't gonna work... Well don't ya know it uncle Elmer's buddy, Mr. Fudd the gun store knowitall, has a barrel off his brothers wingmaster... Great goosin' barrel uncle Elmer and Mr Fudd tell young buck... Young buck buys this barrel for the family and friends CGN ee price of $200 and takes it home to try on his "bear gun". Well don't ya know it, young buck now wants the matching magazine cap. Off he goes to talk to Mr Fudd... He ya go son, came off the very same gun. Out comes said little plastic crown... And we now have a shotgun with no magazine spring retainer. Are young buck, uncle Elmer and Mr Fudd breaking the law by taking this shotgun (plugged of course) into a duck blind? No.

I'll ask you again, where does it say in law you must have a magazine spring retainer? It doesn't. It says you must have a plug.

And one more time, where does it say removal of the magazine cap doesn't count as disassembly? Again, it doesn't. This is nothing more than your interpretation of the law.

 

[Kewl]

As you may have noticed, you don't need the factory plug. Anything will do. Got out hunting one day and found mine was at home. Cut a piece of tree. About 6", for an 870, I think.

You get it... Thank you.

 

[3macs1]

This is nothing more than your interpretation of the law.[/QUOTE]

No it is what I have been told by CO officers and seen charges based on. Unlike you have been inspected many many times over the years

In the end I for one will not leave the interputation in the hands of a judge or CO officer to make. Too gray of an area

Oh yes since you brought up express how do you keep the barrel and mag cap tight with no mag spring retainer the one that you said a few posts ago didnot exist

We beat this to death SEE ya

 

[jacoblombardo]

Did you not get one with your gun? I guess not every gun will come with one though, especially used guns lol

But just like what everyone else says, dowel, a pen or really anything similar to that, Even a stick out in the woods lol as long as the Game warden cant put more then 3 rounds your safe!

 

[Kewl]

No it is what I have been told by CO officers and seen charges based on. Unlike you have been inspected many many times over the years

In the end I for one will not leave the interputation in the hands of a judge or CO officer to make. Too gray of an area

Oh yes since you brought up express how do you keep the barrel and mag cap tight with no mag spring retainer the one that you said a few posts ago didnot exist

We beat this to death SEE ya

It's not grey... Read AND UNDERSTAND the law.

Did you not get one with your gun? I guess not every gun will come with one though, especially used guns lol

But just like what everyone else says, dowel, a pen or really anything similar to that, Even a stick out in the woods lol as long as the Game warden cant put more then 3 rounds your safe!

Bingo.
A pen? This I like. A multitool!